Telescope Goldfish

I did not realize that it can take 2-3 years for telescope eyed goldfish to
get their telescopic vision?!! I've had a pretty but regular eyed summer
before last baby in one of my aquariums and just noticed yesterday the eyes
are starting to developed... and here I thought this one should go to the
pet shop. So glad I was too busy or lazy to take it now. ~ jan
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Zone 7a, SE Washington State
Ponds: www.jjspond.us



~ jan

I never know that about them. Thanks for the information. Jim loves
to watch ours change colors, but we have never had telescope eyes. We
have one five inch black goldfish that has not changed to its final
color yet. Sometimes we do not see it for weeks because it blends so
well.

Phyllis

On Sun, 9 Dec 2007 16:35:58 CST, Phyllis and Jim
<> wrote:

>I never know that about them. Thanks for the information. Jim loves
>to watch ours change colors, but we have never had telescope eyes. We
>have one five inch black goldfish that has not changed to its final
>color yet. Sometimes we do not see it for weeks because it blends so
>well.

My liner died in the koi pond, so I gave away all the koi a couple
months ago and could see a glimpse of black goldfish hiding in the
corners and shadows on the black liner. I knew there was a couple
there, because in June I had tried to catch all the goldfish out, but
decided there were only a couple, maybe three, not more than four, so
I left them. When the liner died I had to drain completely, remove
everything and there were 9 black goldfish of sizes that varied from 2
to 7 or 8". Now I have them in the hot tub pond (light blue) and can
see them very well. One has some gold spots here and there, one is
blue/black and some are dull/dirty carp black. At first they tried to
hide on the bottom, but I guess they finally figured out I wasn't
going to eat them and now they come to the top for feeding and are
getting more friendly. I've enjoyed watching some turn gold at 2
years, but the oldest I have now must be at least 5 years old and
looks like they aren't going to change to gold. Amazing how little it
takes to amuse some of us old folks.
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Hal Middle Georgia, Zone 8
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>I never know that about them. Thanks for the information. Jim loves
>to watch ours change colors, but we have never had telescope eyes. We
>have one five inch black goldfish that has not changed to its final
>color yet. Sometimes we do not see it for weeks because it blends so
>well.
>Phyllis

It took me awhile to figure out which goldfish I liked best before I
finally decided it was the telescope eyed ones. Other than the strange
eyes, their body shape is still normal enough not to affect the swim
bladder like good ryukins. They don't have the wen of the oranda, that
makes them temperature sensitive and they're not as aggressive or swim as
fast as a regular Wally World type fantail. Now I just need one that is
calico... course my "breeding" operation has changed since I also now have
walkins in the pond... but that's okay. Perhaps I'll create a telescope
walkin? ;-) Course I have to get some spawn. This next year I'll have to
start feeding, I'm sure that's why I didn't get any babies (to my
knowledge) this last year.

I'm thinking of a feeding ring in the middle of the pond. ~ jan
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Zone 7a, SE Washington State
Ponds: www.jjspond.us

I noticed the Lotus Tubers in your photos. My wife and I went to China last year and saw many Lotus plants in the many ponds we saw. I haven't done much research on these yet, are Lotus plants hard to find or grow? Is that a Lotus flower?

On Mon, 10 Dec 2007 10:42:48 CST, ~ jan <> wrote:

> This next year I'll have to
>start feeding, I'm sure that's why I didn't get any babies (to my
>knowledge) this last year.
>
>I'm thinking of a feeding ring in the middle of the pond. ~ jan

I thought the bigger fish were eating all the eggs until last year
when I captured a mat of eggs and put them in a separate pond. I now
think there wasn't enough food for the eggs when they hatched. I ran
across a post from Brett (a trusted name) some time back and found
this one first today so I quit looking, but they have about the same
ideas. Perhaps Reel has a better experience and ideas too.
I cut this from a post on Koiphen's:
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3 days is about the right time for the "dwindles" to hit a tank of
fry.

Although it is certainly possible to rear fry totally in captivity,
they require some living food early in their life to set their guts to
working right. By three days they are very much in need of nutrition.
Artificial diets might keep them alive for that long, but that is also
when we at the hatchery remove the fry from the hatchery to plankton
ponds.

Next time you get a hatch, set up a second tank to raise them some
food. Aquarium people call it "infusoria" and they will have many
recipes for brewing it.

One recipe I know of that works pretty good.....

In a 100 gallon container that has some aeration and dechlorinated
water add the following...

One quart of hard boiled iceberg lettuce and the "juice" it was boiled
in.

One good armful of fresh hay or a gallon or so of dried grass
clippings.

One quart of "live" water from a watergarden pool, standing water in a
ditch, or if nothing else, water from the fish pond.

What you're shooting for here is rotifers, glass worms, and other very
small plankters that are not easily seen with the naked eye. If you
see stuff easily that is swimming around like little "bugs" you either
got Daphne or Cyclops, both too big for the fry to eat, and big enough
to eat the fry. These are good foods for two week old fry.
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Hal Middle Georgia, Zone 8
http://tinyurl.com/2fxzcb

"~ jan" <> wrote in message
news:...
They don't have the wen of the oranda, that
> makes them temperature sensitive ..........
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My orandas have no problem with the cold of winter. They spend it under the
ice for days at a time with the regular Shubunkins, pearlscales and moors.
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RM....
Frugal ponding since 1995.
rec.ponder since late 1996.
Zone 6. Middle TN USA
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On Tue, 11 Dec 2007 09:10:30 CST, Hal <> wrote:

>3 days is about the right time for the "dwindles" to hit a tank of
>fry.
>
>Although it is certainly possible to rear fry totally in captivity,
>they require some living food early in their life to set their guts to
>working right. By three days they are very much in need of nutrition.

Since I've raised fry before, and this is a 1000 gallon pond, I'm not too
worried about live food. The problem, imho, this year, was 4 wakins and 4
fantails, with no addition food from me.... and perhaps not enough cover
for the fry/eggs. I'm currently growing some anacharis in the house to
hopefully put out next spring.

Not that I want a lot of fry and glut the market. ;-) ~ jan
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Zone 7a, SE Washington State
Ponds: www.jjspond.us