turtle in a koi pond

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  1. Dan Robinson

    Dan Robinson Guest

    Last year someone offered me a turtle pair (RES) and I put them in my
    waterlily pond. They disappeared and we never saw them again. I figured
    they crawled over the edge of the raised pond and went looking for a new
    home during the major storm that occurred a couple of days after their
    arrival. This spring while trimming one of my flower beds I noticed a tiny
    baby turtle. He was smaller than a 50 cent coin. He was looking dried out
    so we decided to put him in a spare aquarium we had. Over the last couple
    of weeks he has grown quickly and we are wondering what to do next. If I
    put him in the lily pond I suspect he will climb out and have a hard time
    surviving our hot Houston summer. We have a large koi pond and it would be
    nearly impossible to climb out of it. Would this put our koi at risk?
    Dan
     
    Dan Robinson, Apr 14, 2007
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    ~ jan Guest

    On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:08:27 CST, "Dan Robinson"
    wrote:

    >Last year someone offered me a turtle pair (RES) and I put them in my
    >waterlily pond. They disappeared and we never saw them again. I figured
    >they crawled over the edge of the raised pond and went looking for a new
    >home during the major storm that occurred a couple of days after their
    >arrival. This spring while trimming one of my flower beds I noticed a tiny
    >baby turtle. He was smaller than a 50 cent coin. He was looking dried out
    >so we decided to put him in a spare aquarium we had. Over the last couple
    >of weeks he has grown quickly and we are wondering what to do next. If I
    >put him in the lily pond I suspect he will climb out and have a hard time
    >surviving our hot Houston summer. We have a large koi pond and it would be
    >nearly impossible to climb out of it. Would this put our koi at risk?
    >Dan


    Turtles have to get out of the water and dry out now and then.... and
    that's about the extent of my turtle knowledge. ~ jan
    ------------
    Zone 7a, SE Washington State
    Ponds: www.jjspond.us
     
    ~ jan, Apr 14, 2007
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    Doug Brown Guest

    Turtles generally refer to both tortoises (land dwelling turtles) and
    terrapins (water dwelling turles).

    jan may be right in a general sense that all shelled reptiles need to get
    out of the water from time to time, mostly to sun and get vitamin D, but
    with respect her answer does not answer the question to OP had. Of course,
    neither does my answer answer it.
    "~ jan" wrote in message
    news:...
    > On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:08:27 CST, "Dan Robinson"
    > wrote:
    >
    >>Last year someone offered me a turtle pair (RES) and I put them in my
    >>waterlily pond. They disappeared and we never saw them again. I figured
    >>they crawled over the edge of the raised pond and went looking for a new
    >>home during the major storm that occurred a couple of days after their
    >>arrival. This spring while trimming one of my flower beds I noticed a
    >>tiny
    >>baby turtle. He was smaller than a 50 cent coin. He was looking dried
    >>out
    >>so we decided to put him in a spare aquarium we had. Over the last couple
    >>of weeks he has grown quickly and we are wondering what to do next. If I
    >>put him in the lily pond I suspect he will climb out and have a hard time
    >>surviving our hot Houston summer. We have a large koi pond and it would
    >>be
    >>nearly impossible to climb out of it. Would this put our koi at risk?
    >>Dan

    >
    > Turtles have to get out of the water and dry out now and then.... and
    > that's about the extent of my turtle knowledge. ~ jan
    > ------------
    > Zone 7a, SE Washington State
    > Ponds: www.jjspond.us
    >
     
    Doug Brown, Apr 14, 2007
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  4. Dan Robinson

    kthirtya Guest

    Turtles need to get out of the water in order
    to bask. They need to raise their body temperature,
    it's the only method they have, and they need to dry
    out some body parts to keep healthy.
    So your turtle would need to get in and out of the
    water.
    We have an island in our pond that the turtles liked.
    But they could also get out of the pond and go
    walk about the yard. A securely fenced yard is a must
    as turtles have wanderlust at times.

    As for your koi, I never had a problem with fish health
    and turtles in the pond.

    k :)
     
    kthirtya, Apr 14, 2007
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  5. Turtles are pleased to eat whatever they can. Most goldfish and koi
    are out of their range. Small fish, OK!

    Jim
     
    Phyllis and Jim, Apr 14, 2007
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    Hal Guest

    On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:08:27 CST, "Dan Robinson"
    wrote:

    >We have a large koi pond and it would be
    >nearly impossible to climb out of it. Would this put our koi at risk?


    My dentist has turtle and goldfish in small ponds outside his office.
    After years of living together in the same pond without incident, he
    removed a growth from one of his older goldfish and when released back
    into the pond the turtle immediately swam over and took a large bite
    out of the goldfish. He guessed the smell of recent surgery (Fresh
    wound.) could have been a number of things to cause the turtle to bite
    after years of not harming a goldfish. You may have a different
    experience.

    Regards,

    Hal
     
    Hal, Apr 14, 2007
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    Klatch Guest

    "Hal" wrote in message
    news:eek:...
    > On Fri, 13 Apr 2007 21:08:27 CST, "Dan Robinson"
    > wrote:
    >
    >>We have a large koi pond and it would be
    >>nearly impossible to climb out of it. Would this put our koi at risk?

    >
    > My dentist has turtle and goldfish in small ponds outside his office.
    > After years of living together in the same pond without incident, he
    > removed a growth from one of his older goldfish and when released back
    > into the pond the turtle immediately swam over and took a large bite
    > out of the goldfish. He guessed the smell of recent surgery (Fresh
    > wound.) could have been a number of things to cause the turtle to bite
    > after years of not harming a goldfish. You may have a different
    > experience.
    >
    > Regards,
    >
    > Hal
    >

    Or the fish was sufficiently disabled to allow the turtle to accomplish what
    he had been only able to dream about for years :)
     
    Klatch, Apr 14, 2007
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  8. Dan Robinson

    Dan Robinson Guest

    Thanks for all the responses so far. In my koi pond I would build a small
    floating area that he would be able to climb onto. Something like an old
    partially submerged log anchored to the middle of the pond. Unless the
    turtle could get a running start and learn to jump it is unlikely that he
    would be able to use that as a way to hop out of that pond ;-) As to
    hurting koi that is my main question. In the tank he is currently living I
    placed a few gambusia and a bullfrog tadpole. So far he seems to ignore
    them. I think he has consumed a fair number of smaller snails I tossed in
    there.
    Dan
    "Dan Robinson" wrote in message
    news:3qWTh.9740$...
    > Last year someone offered me a turtle pair (RES) and I put them in my
    > waterlily pond. They disappeared and we never saw them again. I figured
    > they crawled over the edge of the raised pond and went looking for a new
    > home during the major storm that occurred a couple of days after their
    > arrival. This spring while trimming one of my flower beds I noticed a
    > tiny baby turtle. He was smaller than a 50 cent coin. He was looking
    > dried out so we decided to put him in a spare aquarium we had. Over the
    > last couple of weeks he has grown quickly and we are wondering what to do
    > next. If I put him in the lily pond I suspect he will climb out and have
    > a hard time surviving our hot Houston summer. We have a large koi pond
    > and it would be nearly impossible to climb out of it. Would this put our
    > koi at risk?
    > Dan
     
    Dan Robinson, Apr 14, 2007
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    kthirtya Guest

    Klatch wrote >>Or the fish was sufficiently disabled to allow the
    turtle to accomplish what
    he had been only able to dream about for years :)
     
    kthirtya, Apr 14, 2007
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    Reel McKoi Guest

    "Dan Robinson" wrote in message
    news:IK4Uh.5354$...
    > Thanks for all the responses so far. In my koi pond I would build a small
    > floating area that he would be able to climb onto. Something like an old
    > partially submerged log anchored to the middle of the pond. Unless the
    > turtle could get a running start and learn to jump it is unlikely that he
    > would be able to use that as a way to hop out of that pond ;-) As to
    > hurting koi that is my main question. In the tank he is currently living
    > I placed a few gambusia and a bullfrog tadpole. So far he seems to ignore
    > them. I think he has consumed a fair number of smaller snails I tossed in
    > there.

    ===========================
    A baby slider found our smaller 880+ pond and ate the same pellets the fish
    ate. He grew like crazy. We released him in a the nearby lake the
    following year.
    --
    RM....
    Frugal ponding since 1995.
    rec.ponder since late 1996.
    My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
    http://tinyurl.com/9do58
    Zone 6. Middle TN USA
    ISP: Hughes.net
    ~~~~ } ~~~ }
     
    Reel McKoi, Apr 15, 2007
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    drsolo Guest

    this is true. my friend Jo Ann went to pick up a pondful of koi when
    somebody decided to retire. this was a friend who bought the fish from her
    originally and the fish were always very, very busy moving around. when she
    drained the pond she found a pleco that had been after the fish for years
    and the minute the koi sans pleco got in her ponds they slowed down
    completely.

    when keeping koi and GF it is good to remember that all kinds of other
    wildlife are not really compatible and could possibly bring in disease.
    Ingrid

    "Klatch" wrote in message
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    > Or the fish was sufficiently disabled to allow the turtle to accomplish

    what
    > he had been only able to dream about for years :)
    >
     
    drsolo, Apr 15, 2007
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  12. "Dan Robinson" wrote:

    > Last year someone offered me a turtle pair (RES) and I put them in my
    > waterlily pond. They disappeared and we never saw them again. I figured
    > they crawled over the edge of the raised pond and went looking for a new
    > home during the major storm that occurred a couple of days after their
    > arrival. This spring while trimming one of my flower beds I noticed a tiny
    > baby turtle. He was smaller than a 50 cent coin. He was looking dried out
    > so we decided to put him in a spare aquarium we had. Over the last couple
    > of weeks he has grown quickly and we are wondering what to do next. If I
    > put him in the lily pond I suspect he will climb out and have a hard time
    > surviving our hot Houston summer. We have a large koi pond and it would be
    > nearly impossible to climb out of it. Would this put our koi at risk?
    > Dan
    >


    I have a RES in my pond. He leaves everything alone. In fact the Koi and
    shibunkins regularly push him out of the way. You will need a way for your
    turtle to get out of the water and sun himself. The only fish we suspect he
    may have eaten, are those fancy, slow goldfish. As I say, we only suspect
    this as we lost some last year, but there way also a snake and raccoon
    about.

    San Diego Joe
    4,000 - 5,000 Gallons.
    Koi, Goldfish, and RES named Colombo.
     
    San Diego Joe, Apr 15, 2007
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  13. I have a pond full of GF that were originally bought as feeder fish for
    my RES. The turtles will eat babies (as do the adult GF) but leave the
    big ones alone. They will nibble on corpses, though. Unless you have koi
    fry, you'd probably be okay putting the little RES in the koi pond --
    just be sure he is big enough the koi don't eat him.

    RES, as previously noted, do need a spot to clamber onto to bask. Rocks
    in the pond or a partially submerged log do well.
    www.clowder.net/cats/Turtles/pond.html
    shows my pond with
    basking spots. Turtles and fish can bee seen at the bottom of the page.

    Gabrielle in southern Arizona


    Dan Robinson wrote:

    > Last year someone offered me a turtle pair (RES) and I put them in my
    > waterlily pond. They disappeared and we never saw them again. I
    > figured they crawled over the edge of the raised pond and went looking
    > for a new home during the major storm that occurred a couple of days
    > after their arrival. This spring while trimming one of my flower beds
    > I noticed a tiny baby turtle. He was smaller than a 50 cent coin. He
    > was looking dried out so we decided to put him in a spare aquarium we
    > had. Over the last couple of weeks he has grown quickly and we are
    > wondering what to do next. If I put him in the lily pond I suspect he
    > will climb out and have a hard time surviving our hot Houston summer.
    > We have a large koi pond and it would be nearly impossible to climb
    > out of it. Would this put our koi at risk?
    > Dan
     
    Ralph & His Clowder, Apr 16, 2007
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    kthirtya Guest

    Hi Gabrielle,

    I went to look at your turtle pond and then I got
    lost in all your pages. Say 'hi' to Hop! I, too, am
    an ornery woman. At times.
    k :)
     
    kthirtya, Apr 16, 2007
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  15. Dan Robinson

    Guest

    My painted turtle is still missing. After seven years living happily in
    my little pond. :) If its wanderlust (assuming it wandered, and wasn't
    turtlenapped) took it to the stream in the woods, the raging waters from
    this weekend's nor'easter probably washed it way downstream.

    I blame the blasted weather. If it would have stayed cold in March,
    rather than warming up for a bit, the turtle would have kept hibernating.
    Instead, it woke up, disappeared, and then winter returned to Maryland.

    And once again, I had no toads coming to mate at the pond. Never have,
    and I don't know why.


    Alan

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  16. You have been spared the singing of the Fowler's toads! Have you any
    other amphibians? I wonder if the presence of the turtle affected the
    toads.

    Jim
     
    Phyllis and Jim, Apr 17, 2007
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  17. I went to visit your page. Nice. The turtles are BIG. And there are
    a lot of gf. How do you keep it clear?

    Jim
     
    Phyllis and Jim, Apr 17, 2007
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    kthirtya Guest

    Jan and I both learned, when we built ponds that
    *didn't* have big fish in them, that our native tree
    frogs will not enter a pond where they might be
    eaten! Smart little hoppers. Maybe the toads are
    worried.

    k :)
     
    kthirtya, Apr 17, 2007
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    ~ jan Guest

    On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:20:21 CST, "kthirtya" wrote:

    >Jan and I both learned, when we built ponds that
    >*didn't* have big fish in them, that our native tree
    >frogs will not enter a pond where they might be
    >eaten! Smart little hoppers. Maybe the toads are
    >worried.
    >
    >k :)


    And you know, I always thought that was silly because my big koi never gave
    a second look at a little old frog swimming thru. Then I turned a couple
    loose at the Demo Pond and was shocked that one of the goldfish tried to
    suck one down. Luckily the gf wasn't near big enough, and finally had to
    spit it out. He then swam to safe place. ~ jan
    ------------
    Zone 7a, SE Washington State
    Ponds: www.jjspond.us
     
    ~ jan, Apr 17, 2007
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  20. It's quite simple. I don't take pictures to put on the web page when
    it's murky ;P. I get more than my fair share of algae most of the
    summer here in hot & sunny southern Arizona, though I'm having good luck
    with my combo Skippy/veggie filter. I'm thinking of adding another one
    since the turtles and fish aren't kind to the floating plants in the pond.
    Gabrielle

    Phyllis and Jim wrote:

    >I went to visit your page. Nice. The turtles are BIG. And there are
    >a lot of gf. How do you keep it clear?
    >
    >Jim
    >
    >
    >
     
    Ralph & His Clowder, Apr 21, 2007
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