Here is copy of rp message: Sick Koi

Here is a copy of the post from rp called "Sick Koi"

If anyone has any responses to it, I will repost them back to rp.
I'll leave out your name if you wish. (he or she has an email address
from the UK)

______________

i don't know if this is the correct place to beg for help but one of
my
koi died 2 days ago and now the pair to it is also dying they just
seem
to lie on the bottom of the huge tank,outside with just tiny movements
of front fins and mouth movements on its side , i am devastated and
ask please for any help before this one dies, the pond is 1000 gal and
is 2-5 ft deep.please try and help

--
moogie

rons515@localnet.com wrote:
> Here is a copy of the post from rp called "Sick Koi"
>
> If anyone has any responses to it, I will repost them back to rp.
> I'll leave out your name if you wish. (he or she has an email address
> from the UK)
>
> ______________
>
> i don't know if this is the correct place to beg for help but one of
> my
> koi died 2 days ago and now the pair to it is also dying they just
> seem
> to lie on the bottom of the huge tank,outside with just tiny movements
> of front fins and mouth movements on its side , i am devastated and
> ask please for any help before this one dies, the pond is 1000 gal and
> is 2-5 ft deep.please try and help

Questions that come to mind.
'Tank' and '1000 gal pond' Which is it. If tank, is it metal. How long have
the fish been there.......is it new, size/age of fish ??
Is it filtered? What is water temp? Etc
Laying on the bottom is normal for winter. More info please Ron
--
Pete C
London UK

rons515@localnet.com wrote:
> Here is a copy of the post from rp called "Sick Koi"
>
> If anyone has any responses to it, I will repost them back to rp.
> I'll leave out your name if you wish. (he or she has an email address
> from the UK)
_____________
>
> i don't know if this is the correct place to beg for help but one of
> my
> koi died 2 days ago and now the pair to it is also dying they just
> seem
> to lie on the bottom of the huge tank,outside with just tiny movements
> of front fins and mouth movements on its side , i am devastated and
> ask please for any help before this one dies, the pond is 1000 gal and
> is 2-5 ft deep.please try and help

Ron, I've been out of active Koi water care for a while now. Without
information on how long Moogie has had the pond and fish, water chemistry,
aeration, filtration (including some idea of rate), I can't see how anyone
can offer any real help. Why can't Moogie subscribe to this group? It's not
a binary group, after all. There may be more to this than meets the eye.

--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
I support them at https://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/
Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops.
You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~

Yup, not much info to help. Copy this to RP and see if they'll fill it out.
Do leave my name off.... :-)


Sick Fish or Sick Pond Form

Please describe your problem, including fish characteristics, like;
whirling, flashing, gasping at surface, wounds, etc.:

Pond Size in Gallons? (litres*.26=US Gallons):

Water Source (Well, Irrigation, City?)
If City how is water treated?: =

Time in Operation?
(How old is the pond/water?):

Liner type? (EPDM,PVC,RUBBER,Cement/Concrete etc):

Fish Population?
Type? Size? QTY, Time in Pond:

Food? Type and Frequency of feedings.:

Pump Type, IN/OUT of pond, GPH etc
(Describe your filtration system as well as possible):

Prefilter media type? Last cleaned?:

Filter is BIO or Mechanical? Last cleaned? How?:

Carbon added? How much? When last changed?:

Aeration? Waterfalls? Bubblers?
Venturies?:

Water Temp?

pH?:

KH?:

Ammonia (ppm or mg/l):

Nitrite (ppm or mg/l):

Nitrate (ppm or mg/l):

Water Color, cloudiness, odor?:

Water changes? (% of pond volume and how often):

Additives used (water conditioners etc):

Tests done by self or another?:

Weather (what's it been like lately?):

Medications used?:

What Zone or Country of residence?:
----
~ jan
------------
Zone 7a, SE Washington State
Ponds: www.jjspond.us

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:51:18 EST, "Pete C" <petcrow@lineone.net>
wrote:

>
>
>rons515@localnet.com wrote:
>> Here is a copy of the post from rp called "Sick Koi"
>>
>> If anyone has any responses to it, I will repost them back to rp.
>> I'll leave out your name if you wish. (he or she has an email address
>> from the UK)
>>
>> ______________
>>
>> i don't know if this is the correct place to beg for help but one of
>> my
>> koi died 2 days ago and now the pair to it is also dying they just
>> seem
>> to lie on the bottom of the huge tank,outside with just tiny movements
>> of front fins and mouth movements on its side , i am devastated and
>> ask please for any help before this one dies, the pond is 1000 gal and
>> is 2-5 ft deep.please try and help
>
>Questions that come to mind.
>'Tank' and '1000 gal pond' Which is it. If tank, is it metal. How long have
>the fish been there.......is it new, size/age of fish ??
>Is it filtered? What is water temp? Etc
>Laying on the bottom is normal for winter. More info please Ron

Hi Pete,

If its ok with you, I'll repost your reply in rec.ponds, without
your name. I agree that there are a lot of unanswered questions, and
also "Moogie" has not had any follow-up messages in rp. My guess is
that the other koi probably died, and that "moogie" has just given up
and lost interest in further contact.
I do believe that it was a legitimate post, but probably by a
frantic owner who wasn't sure where to go for help.

Ron

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:51:36 EST, Nick Cramer
<n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote:

>rons515@localnet.com wrote:
>> Here is a copy of the post from rp called "Sick Koi"
>>
>> If anyone has any responses to it, I will repost them back to rp.
>> I'll leave out your name if you wish. (he or she has an email address
>> from the UK)
>_____________
>>
>> i don't know if this is the correct place to beg for help but one of
>> my
>> koi died 2 days ago and now the pair to it is also dying they just
>> seem
>> to lie on the bottom of the huge tank,outside with just tiny movements
>> of front fins and mouth movements on its side , i am devastated and
>> ask please for any help before this one dies, the pond is 1000 gal and
>> is 2-5 ft deep.please try and help
>
>Ron, I've been out of active Koi water care for a while now. Without
>information on how long Moogie has had the pond and fish, water chemistry,
>aeration, filtration (including some idea of rate), I can't see how anyone
>can offer any real help. Why can't Moogie subscribe to this group? It's not
>a binary group, after all. There may be more to this than meets the eye.

Hi Nick,
I completely agree that there were many unanswered questions.
Please see my reply to Pete. I think it was a legitimate post, but by
a frantic owner who just hastily posted to rp without giving a lot of
thought to giving details. He or she has not made any follow-up posts
to rp, so my guess is that the other koi also died, and the owner has
just lost interest in pursuing the matter any further.
My sense of the first post was that his or her main interest was
in saving the fish, not going through all the effort it _sometimes_
takes to get subscribed to this group. It can be a real challenge.
More isp's and nsp's than not will not/do not carry rpm, and it can be
difficult for a person not too familiar with newsgroups to find a free
nsp, or set up with google.
The fact that rpm is not carried by a large number of nsp's has
really hurt the growth potential of this group. But nearly all of
them carry the trashed "rp" group. What an injustice for ponders!

I did advise "moogie" to try and get rpm, but his or her first
priority was to look for quick help before the 2nd fish died.
Unfortunately, I think it did, and my guess is that moogie doesn't
care about communicating any more. But its _only_ a guess on my part.

Ron

On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 19:09:57 EST, ~ jan <Seewebsite@jjspond.us> wrote:

>Yup, not much info to help. Copy this to RP and see if they'll fill it out.
>Do leave my name off.... :-)
>
>
>Sick Fish or Sick Pond Form
>
>Please describe your problem, including fish characteristics, like;
>whirling, flashing, gasping at surface, wounds, etc.:
>
>Pond Size in Gallons? (litres*.26=US Gallons):
>
>Water Source (Well, Irrigation, City?)
>If City how is water treated?: =
>
>Time in Operation?
>(How old is the pond/water?):
>
>Liner type? (EPDM,PVC,RUBBER,Cement/Concrete etc):
>
>Fish Population?
>Type? Size? QTY, Time in Pond:
>
>Food? Type and Frequency of feedings.:
>
>Pump Type, IN/OUT of pond, GPH etc
>(Describe your filtration system as well as possible):
>
>Prefilter media type? Last cleaned?:
>
>Filter is BIO or Mechanical? Last cleaned? How?:
>
>Carbon added? How much? When last changed?:
>
>Aeration? Waterfalls? Bubblers?
>Venturies?:
>
>Water Temp?
>
>pH?:
>
>KH?:
>
>Ammonia (ppm or mg/l):
>
>Nitrite (ppm or mg/l):
>
>Nitrate (ppm or mg/l):
>
>Water Color, cloudiness, odor?:
>
>Water changes? (% of pond volume and how often):
>
>Additives used (water conditioners etc):
>
>Tests done by self or another?:
>
>Weather (what's it been like lately?):
>
>Medications used?:
>
>What Zone or Country of residence?:
>----
>~ jan
>------------
>Zone 7a, SE Washington State
>Ponds: www.jjspond.us


Thanks, Jan.
I did repost it, without your name or headers.
I think "moogie" has left the building. He or she has not posted any
follow-ups at rp.

ron

rons515@localnet.com wrote:
> On Tue, 30 Dec 2008 17:51:18 EST, "Pete C" <petcrow@lineone.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> rons515@localnet.com wrote:
>>> Here is a copy of the post from rp called "Sick Koi"
snippy
It's such a shame when someone desperately needs help and can't find it.
With RPM not being carried by a lot of providers, a forum might provide a
more accessable source of help. I'm a moderator on one such forum with some
very helpful and very friendly members. I won't publish the name here, but
if you ever need to direct someone who can't get here, just email me for a
link.
--
Pete C
London UK

rons515@localnet.com wrote:
> Nick Cramer <n_cramerSPAM@pacbell.net> wrote:
> >rons515@localnet.com wrote:
> >> Here is a copy of the post from rp called "Sick Koi"
> >> [ . . . ]

> More isp's and nsp's than not will not/do not carry rpm, and it can be
> difficult for a person not too familiar with newsgroups to find a free
> nsp, or set up with google.
> The fact that rpm is not carried by a large number of nsp's has
> really hurt the growth potential of this group. But nearly all of
> them carry the trashed "rp" group. What an injustice for ponders!
[]

Thanks, Ron. I wasn't aware of the fact that r.p.m isn't carried by many
nsp's.

When the group was finally formed, I sent a note to Curt, at
NewsReader.com, asking him to add it. Within minutes (or hours - time means
nothing to me) I had the group.

I'm very sorry about "moogie"'s Koi. I remember how distressed I was
whenever one of mine died. I even did an autopsy on one. <sigh>

Happy New Year to all.

--
Nick. Support severely wounded and disabled Veterans and their families!
I support them at https://www.woundedwarriorproject.org/
Thank a Veteran and Support Our Troops.
You are not forgotten. Thanks ! ! ~Semper Fi~