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Hello all, haven't been here in a while. Built my pond in 2000, it's about
1000 gal. Everything went well, learned a bunch.
Well, SWMBO wants a bigger one, and I retire in a few months, so I suspect
this is to keep me off the streets. <G> Gonna be about 2500 gal, not a Koi
pond, just bait store GF, and a bunch of plants. GF get to fair size if the
herons do make it a Mcfish fast food.
My question is about a "Skippy" type filter, what gph feeds this type
filter? Old filters were in the pond. Want external. I read a 100 gal
Rubbermaid tub is good for 3000 gal. But how much to the input side, 50gph,
200gph?
Thanks
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Pond enlargement
Started by Guest_Rick Samuel_*, Apr 29 2009 04:08 PM
14 replies to this topic
#2 Guest_Jim and Phyllis_*
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Posted 29 April 2009 - 10:27 PM
Rick,
Nice to have you back in the group.
Folks will have a lot of good advice for you about size and flow. Let
me be the first to cheer for your improvement.
Then let me be the first to suggest the benefit of an out of pond
veggie filter or even a bog as compared to a regular filter. Lots
less cleaning. Just a slow flow through lots of nutrient grabbing/
mechanical filtering plant roots. If you have a good drain, you can
clean it every year or so by opening the drain and flushing with pond
water.
Phyllis and I have 3,900 gal total, with 1,000 gal in the berm ponds.
Easy to maintain and beautiful...we think.
Our pond and veggie filters are at: http://home.bellsout...pwp-jameshurley.
Jim
Nice to have you back in the group.
Folks will have a lot of good advice for you about size and flow. Let
me be the first to cheer for your improvement.
Then let me be the first to suggest the benefit of an out of pond
veggie filter or even a bog as compared to a regular filter. Lots
less cleaning. Just a slow flow through lots of nutrient grabbing/
mechanical filtering plant roots. If you have a good drain, you can
clean it every year or so by opening the drain and flushing with pond
water.
Phyllis and I have 3,900 gal total, with 1,000 gal in the berm ponds.
Easy to maintain and beautiful...we think.
Our pond and veggie filters are at: http://home.bellsout...pwp-jameshurley.
Jim
#3 Guest_Rick Samuel_*
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Posted 30 April 2009 - 02:07 PM
"Jim and Phyllis" <jimandphyllisrp@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Rick,
>
> Nice to have you back in the group.
>
> Folks will have a lot of good advice for you about size and flow. Let
> me be the first to cheer for your improvement.
>
> Then let me be the first to suggest the benefit of an out of pond
> veggie filter or even a bog as compared to a regular filter. Lots
> less cleaning. Just a slow flow through lots of nutrient grabbing/
> mechanical filtering plant roots. If you have a good drain, you can
> clean it every year or so by opening the drain and flushing with pond
> water.
>
> Phyllis and I have 3,900 gal total, with 1,000 gal in the berm ponds.
> Easy to maintain and beautiful...we think.
>
> Our pond and veggie filters are at:
> http://home.bellsout...pwp-jameshurley.
>
> Jim
Nice set-up, thanks. That was one of my first thoughts was a bog filter,
to add to our current pond. But when we thought about expanding, kinda
slipped to the wayside. Thanks for bringing it up. Have room for it, Ha!
less to mow.
I'm in the mid-east till Jan. so have time to work this all out. I suspect
it may be a year to get the hunny-do list down to 2-3 pages....
Parrot's Feather almost took over our pond a few years ago. Confined to a
bog would work great. Hyacinth dies out each year, as water lettuce. We
collect it from the San Marcos river....it's illegal to move it in TX, but
as it goes into an enclosed system, no escape.
Can you give a breakdown of your plumbing? No rush, have 8 mo. yet.
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> Rick,
>
> Nice to have you back in the group.
>
> Folks will have a lot of good advice for you about size and flow. Let
> me be the first to cheer for your improvement.
>
> Then let me be the first to suggest the benefit of an out of pond
> veggie filter or even a bog as compared to a regular filter. Lots
> less cleaning. Just a slow flow through lots of nutrient grabbing/
> mechanical filtering plant roots. If you have a good drain, you can
> clean it every year or so by opening the drain and flushing with pond
> water.
>
> Phyllis and I have 3,900 gal total, with 1,000 gal in the berm ponds.
> Easy to maintain and beautiful...we think.
>
> Our pond and veggie filters are at:
> http://home.bellsout...pwp-jameshurley.
>
> Jim
Nice set-up, thanks. That was one of my first thoughts was a bog filter,
to add to our current pond. But when we thought about expanding, kinda
slipped to the wayside. Thanks for bringing it up. Have room for it, Ha!
less to mow.
I'm in the mid-east till Jan. so have time to work this all out. I suspect
it may be a year to get the hunny-do list down to 2-3 pages....
Parrot's Feather almost took over our pond a few years ago. Confined to a
bog would work great. Hyacinth dies out each year, as water lettuce. We
collect it from the San Marcos river....it's illegal to move it in TX, but
as it goes into an enclosed system, no escape.
Can you give a breakdown of your plumbing? No rush, have 8 mo. yet.
#4 Guest_Kurt_*
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Posted 30 April 2009 - 10:31 PM
In article
<ba5904ca-b649-43e5-8f5a-925ac4bdee32@s1g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
Jim and Phyllis <jimandphyllisrp@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rick,
>
> Nice to have you back in the group.
>
> Folks will have a lot of good advice for you about size and flow. Let
> me be the first to cheer for your improvement.
>
> Then let me be the first to suggest the benefit of an out of pond
> veggie filter or even a bog as compared to a regular filter. Lots
> less cleaning. Just a slow flow through lots of nutrient grabbing/
> mechanical filtering plant roots. If you have a good drain, you can
> clean it every year or so by opening the drain and flushing with pond
> water.
>
> Phyllis and I have 3,900 gal total, with 1,000 gal in the berm ponds.
> Easy to maintain and beautiful...we think.
>
> Our pond and veggie filters are at:
> http://home.bellsout...pwp-jameshurley.
>
> Jim
Forgot how nice a setup your pond is. Good work you two!
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<ba5904ca-b649-43e5-8f5a-925ac4bdee32@s1g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
Jim and Phyllis <jimandphyllisrp@gmail.com> wrote:
> Rick,
>
> Nice to have you back in the group.
>
> Folks will have a lot of good advice for you about size and flow. Let
> me be the first to cheer for your improvement.
>
> Then let me be the first to suggest the benefit of an out of pond
> veggie filter or even a bog as compared to a regular filter. Lots
> less cleaning. Just a slow flow through lots of nutrient grabbing/
> mechanical filtering plant roots. If you have a good drain, you can
> clean it every year or so by opening the drain and flushing with pond
> water.
>
> Phyllis and I have 3,900 gal total, with 1,000 gal in the berm ponds.
> Easy to maintain and beautiful...we think.
>
> Our pond and veggie filters are at:
> http://home.bellsout...pwp-jameshurley.
>
> Jim
Forgot how nice a setup your pond is. Good work you two!
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#5 Guest_dr-solo@wi.rr.com_*
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Posted 03 May 2009 - 03:35 PM
I will definitely second the ease and benefit of a veggie filter. Because I only
have a 25' x 25' back yard my 1600 gallon partly above ground koi pond has a veggie
filter that sits on TOP of the pond along two edges.
http://weloveteachin...pond/mypond.htm
I even have a veggie filter sits inside my pond for winter. I do not use "low" water
plants like hyacinths instead use water celery and cyperus (papyrus) that grow
upright and take less space per huge root ball. INgrid
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:27:41 EDT, Jim and Phyllis <jimandphyllisrp@gmail.com> wrote:
>Then let me be the first to suggest the benefit of an out of pond
>veggie filter or even a bog as compared to a regular filter. Lots
>less cleaning. Just a slow flow through lots of nutrient grabbing/
>mechanical filtering plant roots. If you have a good drain, you can
>clean it every year or so by opening the drain and flushing with pond
>water.
>Our pond and veggie filters are at: http://home.bellsout...pwp-jameshurley.
have a 25' x 25' back yard my 1600 gallon partly above ground koi pond has a veggie
filter that sits on TOP of the pond along two edges.
http://weloveteachin...pond/mypond.htm
I even have a veggie filter sits inside my pond for winter. I do not use "low" water
plants like hyacinths instead use water celery and cyperus (papyrus) that grow
upright and take less space per huge root ball. INgrid
On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:27:41 EDT, Jim and Phyllis <jimandphyllisrp@gmail.com> wrote:
>Then let me be the first to suggest the benefit of an out of pond
>veggie filter or even a bog as compared to a regular filter. Lots
>less cleaning. Just a slow flow through lots of nutrient grabbing/
>mechanical filtering plant roots. If you have a good drain, you can
>clean it every year or so by opening the drain and flushing with pond
>water.
>Our pond and veggie filters are at: http://home.bellsout...pwp-jameshurley.
#6 Guest_~ jan_*
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Posted 04 May 2009 - 12:03 AM
How'd your water cress do?
I put water cress in black mesh baskets that have pipe insulation noodles
cut to size and ziplocked on to the top edge, makes the basket float at the
surface. Nothing else within basket, creates a nice green island. And they
survived nicely all winter! Granted they reduce in size as winter goes on,
but they're coming back strong now. ~ jan
>On Sun, 3 May 2009 11:35:13 EDT, dr-solo@wi.rr.com wrote:
>I will definitely second the ease and benefit of a veggie filter. Because I only
>have a 25' x 25' back yard my 1600 gallon partly above ground koi pond has a veggie
>filter that sits on TOP of the pond along two edges.
>http://weloveteachin...pond/mypond.htm
>I even have a veggie filter sits inside my pond for winter. I do not use "low" water
>plants like hyacinths instead use water celery and cyperus (papyrus) that grow
>upright and take less space per huge root ball. INgrid
>
>On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:27:41 EDT, Jim and Phyllis <jimandphyllisrp@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Then let me be the first to suggest the benefit of an out of pond
>>veggie filter or even a bog as compared to a regular filter. Lots
>>less cleaning. Just a slow flow through lots of nutrient grabbing/
>>mechanical filtering plant roots. If you have a good drain, you can
>>clean it every year or so by opening the drain and flushing with pond
>>water.
>>Our pond and veggie filters are at: http://home.bellsout...pwp-jameshurley.
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Ponds: www.jjspond.us
I put water cress in black mesh baskets that have pipe insulation noodles
cut to size and ziplocked on to the top edge, makes the basket float at the
surface. Nothing else within basket, creates a nice green island. And they
survived nicely all winter! Granted they reduce in size as winter goes on,
but they're coming back strong now. ~ jan
>On Sun, 3 May 2009 11:35:13 EDT, dr-solo@wi.rr.com wrote:
>I will definitely second the ease and benefit of a veggie filter. Because I only
>have a 25' x 25' back yard my 1600 gallon partly above ground koi pond has a veggie
>filter that sits on TOP of the pond along two edges.
>http://weloveteachin...pond/mypond.htm
>I even have a veggie filter sits inside my pond for winter. I do not use "low" water
>plants like hyacinths instead use water celery and cyperus (papyrus) that grow
>upright and take less space per huge root ball. INgrid
>
>On Wed, 29 Apr 2009 18:27:41 EDT, Jim and Phyllis <jimandphyllisrp@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Then let me be the first to suggest the benefit of an out of pond
>>veggie filter or even a bog as compared to a regular filter. Lots
>>less cleaning. Just a slow flow through lots of nutrient grabbing/
>>mechanical filtering plant roots. If you have a good drain, you can
>>clean it every year or so by opening the drain and flushing with pond
>>water.
>>Our pond and veggie filters are at: http://home.bellsout...pwp-jameshurley.
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Zone 7a, SE Washington State
Ponds: www.jjspond.us
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Posted 04 May 2009 - 08:19 PM
My rule of thumb is that the pump should be capable of turning the pond
capacity at least once per hour. More is better. I had a 90 gallon pond
with a 5-gallon homemade "Skippy" fed by a 300 gallon per hour pump that
worked great for years. I now have an 1800 gallon pond with a 2400 gallon
per hour pump operating a Savio waterfall with skimmer and all is well for
two years now.
Bryan
Dallas, TX
"Rick Samuel" <richard.carusi@qatar.tamu.edu> wrote in message
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> Hello all, haven't been here in a while. Built my pond in 2000, it's
> about 1000 gal. Everything went well, learned a bunch.
>
> Well, SWMBO wants a bigger one, and I retire in a few months, so I suspect
> this is to keep me off the streets. <G> Gonna be about 2500 gal, not a
> Koi pond, just bait store GF, and a bunch of plants. GF get to fair size
> if the herons do make it a Mcfish fast food.
>
> My question is about a "Skippy" type filter, what gph feeds this type
> filter? Old filters were in the pond. Want external. I read a 100 gal
> Rubbermaid tub is good for 3000 gal. But how much to the input side,
> 50gph, 200gph?
>
> Thanks
>
capacity at least once per hour. More is better. I had a 90 gallon pond
with a 5-gallon homemade "Skippy" fed by a 300 gallon per hour pump that
worked great for years. I now have an 1800 gallon pond with a 2400 gallon
per hour pump operating a Savio waterfall with skimmer and all is well for
two years now.
Bryan
Dallas, TX
"Rick Samuel" <richard.carusi@qatar.tamu.edu> wrote in message
news:gt8uom$8k9$1@news.tamu.edu...
> Hello all, haven't been here in a while. Built my pond in 2000, it's
> about 1000 gal. Everything went well, learned a bunch.
>
> Well, SWMBO wants a bigger one, and I retire in a few months, so I suspect
> this is to keep me off the streets. <G> Gonna be about 2500 gal, not a
> Koi pond, just bait store GF, and a bunch of plants. GF get to fair size
> if the herons do make it a Mcfish fast food.
>
> My question is about a "Skippy" type filter, what gph feeds this type
> filter? Old filters were in the pond. Want external. I read a 100 gal
> Rubbermaid tub is good for 3000 gal. But how much to the input side,
> 50gph, 200gph?
>
> Thanks
>
#8 Guest_Rick Samuel_*
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Posted 05 May 2009 - 04:32 PM
"sbryan" <sbryan@gte.net> wrote in message
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> My rule of thumb is that the pump should be capable of turning the pond
> capacity at least once per hour. More is better. I had a 90 gallon pond
> with a 5-gallon homemade "Skippy" fed by a 300 gallon per hour pump that
> worked great for years. I now have an 1800 gallon pond with a 2400 gallon
> per hour pump operating a Savio waterfall with skimmer and all is well for
> two years now.
>
> Bryan
> Dallas, TX
Yes, water changes at least once an hour, so I assume ALL the water goes
thru the biofilter, none bypasses and goes straight to the pond from pump.
Thinking of two 100 gal. Rubbermaid stock tubs as the bio. One stepped
down from the first, gravity flow. Seems as tho asking a lot of gravity,
thru 4" PVC connectors. The pump I'm looking at is a Sequence 750 series,
4200 with leaf basket, 2800gph with the head I'll have.
news:biGLl.2365$fy.1637@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> My rule of thumb is that the pump should be capable of turning the pond
> capacity at least once per hour. More is better. I had a 90 gallon pond
> with a 5-gallon homemade "Skippy" fed by a 300 gallon per hour pump that
> worked great for years. I now have an 1800 gallon pond with a 2400 gallon
> per hour pump operating a Savio waterfall with skimmer and all is well for
> two years now.
>
> Bryan
> Dallas, TX
Yes, water changes at least once an hour, so I assume ALL the water goes
thru the biofilter, none bypasses and goes straight to the pond from pump.
Thinking of two 100 gal. Rubbermaid stock tubs as the bio. One stepped
down from the first, gravity flow. Seems as tho asking a lot of gravity,
thru 4" PVC connectors. The pump I'm looking at is a Sequence 750 series,
4200 with leaf basket, 2800gph with the head I'll have.
#9 Guest_theilliniguy_*
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Posted 05 May 2009 - 04:33 PM
I sent 2 posts the other day - neither show up?
#10 Guest_Jim and Phyllis_*
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Posted 05 May 2009 - 04:33 PM
Jan,
Have you a pic of your cress island?
Jim
Have you a pic of your cress island?
Jim
#11 Guest_dr-solo@wi.rr.com_*
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Posted 06 May 2009 - 01:20 AM
water cress died before rooting. I think I will stick to water celery which thrives
for me. Ingrid
On Sun, 3 May 2009 20:03:57 EDT, ~ jan <Seewebsite@jjspond.us> wrote:
>How'd your water cress do?
for me. Ingrid
On Sun, 3 May 2009 20:03:57 EDT, ~ jan <Seewebsite@jjspond.us> wrote:
>How'd your water cress do?
#12 Guest_Jim and Phyllis_*
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Posted 06 May 2009 - 01:06 PM
Your flow through rate may be too fast for settlement in a veggie
filter. How long will it take it to pass throught your filter?
Jim
filter. How long will it take it to pass throught your filter?
Jim
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Posted 06 May 2009 - 05:24 PM
On Tue, 5 May 2009 12:33:08 EDT, theilliniguy <TheIlliniguy@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
>I sent 2 posts the other day - neither show up?
Do you have any other information? The more information we have, the
more likely it is that our looking into it might do some good.
wrote:
>
>
>I sent 2 posts the other day - neither show up?
Do you have any other information? The more information we have, the
more likely it is that our looking into it might do some good.
#14 Guest_~ jan_*
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Posted 09 May 2009 - 08:44 PM
Not yet, but will eventually. ~ jan
On Tue, 5 May 2009 12:33:17 EDT, Jim and Phyllis
<jimandphyllisrp@gmail.com> wrote:
>Jan,
>
>Have you a pic of your cress island?
>
>Jim
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Ponds: www.jjspond.us
On Tue, 5 May 2009 12:33:17 EDT, Jim and Phyllis
<jimandphyllisrp@gmail.com> wrote:
>Jan,
>
>Have you a pic of your cress island?
>
>Jim
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Zone 7a, SE Washington State
Ponds: www.jjspond.us
#15 Guest_~ jan_*
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Posted 09 May 2009 - 08:53 PM
On Tue, 5 May 2009 12:32:27 EDT, "Rick Samuel"
<richard.carusi@qatar.tamu.edu> wrote:
> Yes, water changes at least once an hour, so I assume ALL the water goes
>thru the biofilter, none bypasses and goes straight to the pond from pump.
> Thinking of two 100 gal. Rubbermaid stock tubs as the bio. One stepped
>down from the first, gravity flow. Seems as tho asking a lot of gravity,
>thru 4" PVC connectors. The pump I'm looking at is a Sequence 750 series,
>4200 with leaf basket, 2800gph with the head I'll have.
>
Niagara seems to manage well on gravity. ;-) Question is, are the bulkheads
big enough to allow the gph you want to pass thru fast enough? ~ jan
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Zone 7a, SE Washington State
Ponds: www.jjspond.us
<richard.carusi@qatar.tamu.edu> wrote:
> Yes, water changes at least once an hour, so I assume ALL the water goes
>thru the biofilter, none bypasses and goes straight to the pond from pump.
> Thinking of two 100 gal. Rubbermaid stock tubs as the bio. One stepped
>down from the first, gravity flow. Seems as tho asking a lot of gravity,
>thru 4" PVC connectors. The pump I'm looking at is a Sequence 750 series,
>4200 with leaf basket, 2800gph with the head I'll have.
>
Niagara seems to manage well on gravity. ;-) Question is, are the bulkheads
big enough to allow the gph you want to pass thru fast enough? ~ jan
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Zone 7a, SE Washington State
Ponds: www.jjspond.us
