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#1 D&RW

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Posted 28 October 2009 - 02:06 PM

Trying to modify existing Easy Pro aquafalls filter = more effective with fines. Please, I need help from fellow inventors--Dr. Dave? Dr. Case? Others?

Bought 3 cubic feet of Aqua UV plastic bio-media = 8 inch layer in the aquafalls. should be great for bio-media sites, but they are also reputed to reduce fines.

How? do they "capture" the fines as water goes up through such a circuitous course. OR, do the fines settle out below the bio-media. OR both.

If the fines are "captured" in the bio-media, then the bio media need to be agitated to push the fines out through the drain for cleaning.

Here's the idea. Put a 3 inch bulkhead in the bottom of the aquafalls. To this attach piping & knife valve = new drain. Current drain isn't a drain, it's a second 2 in. input bulkhead on the other side of the box at the bottom. With the bulkhead lip the water only starts to drain at about 1- 1.5 inches. Leaves some stagnant water + waste in the bottom

Hook up pump to one of the 2 in. input bulkheads as usual--plug the other. Install a 6 inch high PVC stand inside the box on the bottom to create open water. Then, on top of this stand put the bio-media. Put a second 8 inch stand on top of this one and one layer of standard matting on top. On top of that put the bio-ribbon I already have. On top of that goes the rock grate.

Install a new 2 in. bulkhead right in the middle of the 8 inch layer of bio-media. Insert a two inch pipe that runs entirely across the box with a cap on the other end and multiple holes drilled at various angles. holes need to be large to minimize pressure so as not to overly disturb the helpful bacteria.

On the outside of the box plumb in a selector so I can shut off water flow to the original input and run it through the fines as I open the drain and clean the filter.

What do you think?


#2 DrDave

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Posted 29 October 2009 - 01:54 AM

Make a sketch.
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#3 D&RW

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Posted 29 October 2009 - 02:33 AM

How do I do that?

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Posted 29 October 2009 - 03:52 AM

see if these help.

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Posted 29 October 2009 - 12:16 PM

Give it a try. Looks loke your plan is to divert the intake water to flush the bottom water out using the multidrilled pipe for cleaning and using the bottom drain for the exit.

Pictures of the unit before and after for posting would also be helpful for others with this same system.
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Posted 29 October 2009 - 11:52 PM

Sounds like you've got it. Only the diverted water will agitate the biomedia dislodging the fines and all of that will go out through the bigger drain. Maybe I should put that agitator pipe near the top of the fines and face the holes down.

Here are some pictures of the work I did today. i built the lower stand out of 3/4 in. pvc. in the last picture the second stand is on top of the first. between the first and second stands will go the biomedia in media bags. BTW, the 4 inch bulkhead on the left I plan to use to try and divert the water from the waterfall, through a 4 in pipe back to the pond. It may end up requiring two, but I'll try one first. So, the diverter pipe will go under the second stand from left to right

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#7 DrDave

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Posted 30 October 2009 - 12:04 AM

Looks great! Lets see how it works. What is the container again?
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Posted 30 October 2009 - 12:15 AM

Thanks Dr. Dave. This is an Easy Pro Medium size Aquafalls.

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Posted 30 October 2009 - 01:44 AM

I got in a little late on this one
your doing a nice job on your project its really looking good ..
The little bit of stagnate water on the bottom could be over come by shutting your drain valve and flushing a second or third time
Keep the build pics comming

#10 D&RW

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Posted 30 October 2009 - 05:07 AM

Hi Dr. Case,

I thought about flushing like you're saying. Running water through it several times. However, the Aquafalls didn't come with a real drain--I'm just using one of the two 2 in. bulkheads for water inflow. (Picture below). Pretty big oversight for them not to put in a real drain--frankly I think 2 in. is too small for that size box anyway.

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Posted 30 October 2009 - 11:48 AM

That will still work..
by flushing the bottom a few times with the pond water will dilute the muck on the very bottom
a drain on the bottom would have been better but thats what you got

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Posted 30 October 2009 - 12:16 PM

I agree. Dilution with several flushes is your only other option without installing a bottom drain.
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Posted 30 October 2009 - 02:37 PM

can you drill into the very bottom of the container to put in a true bottom drain? Like a shower drain, which you can cap off with a ball valve? You can then just stand the unit on a pair of blocks to allow for the piping that needs to go underneath to clear the muck.

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Posted 31 October 2009 - 04:11 PM

You guys are right about flushing and that's what I'd been doing. putting a cheap submersible pump in the pond hooked to a garden hose and then flushing from the top while the other input bulkhead was opened. . But don't you think a true bottom drain would be better? I ordered a 3 in. bulkhead and a 3 " knife valve. I'll run a simple 90 degree elbow and then take the pipe out through the blocks and put a knife valve. What do you think? these fotos are of the old system: right side 2 in. input bulkhead i was using as a drain and of the "appliance" used to control it.

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Posted 31 October 2009 - 05:01 PM

right. that's exactly what I'm talking about! The "appliance" as you call it is a ball valve. It will open or close your bottom drain. Drill the bottom, push in your bulkhead and then caulk it really tightly with an aquarium sealant or my favorite PL Roofing and flashing sealant. Make sure to work it all in very tightly and let it dry at least 24 hours before using it.

Just put a elbow (preferably a sweep elbow versus a sharp 90 degree one) in your contraption so that it bends forward under your filter box. Then stand your box on cinderblocks to accommodate the new bottom drain. Plug up that side drain.

Unless, of course, you are seeking to use that side drain to attach your contraption to?

Edited by koikeepr, 02 November 2009 - 03:38 PM.