My new Pond under contruction

Here is my new pond as its under construction
http://www.geocities...ontruction.html

Nice pics. Please keep us posted as you go along. I like your
equipment. It sure beats the tar out of a shovel!

Jim

In article <1192453046.822060.56860@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com>
Phyllis and Jim <jimandphyllisrp@gmail.com> writes:
>Nice pics. Please keep us posted as you go along. I like your
>equipment. It sure beats the tar out of a shovel!

All these construction pictures with bobcats have me seriously
jealous. Assuming no disruptions, I'll be digging a pond this
spring (winter is for full planning). Unfortunately, our gate is
narrow, and all of the good places to consider opening the fence
have my wife's gardens.

Hmmm, maybe I can start the project list with some transplanting
and installing a wider gate.

Now, if I can only come to a decision on koi/no-koi (to commit to
a depth) . . . .

Drew Lawson wrote:

> Now, if I can only come to a decision on koi/no-koi (to commit to
> a depth) . . . .
>
>
>
Speaking of depth, my pool to pond conversion goes from 3.5' to 8.5' at
the bottom drain. Listers speak of problems getting in and out of the
pond while cleaning and planting. Being a pool basically, I have no
real problems with that, but getting down to 8.5' could be difficult. I
have been thinking of over pouring concrete to make it about 3.5' all
the way across, like a play pool. I have heard that the deeper, the
better for koi, but how deep is practical?

Remember I'm in PHX and it gets damn hot here. I have had the pool temp
get into the 90's within 1-2' of the surface. How hot can koi stand?
How deep is deep enough for koi? They will have plenty of shade as I am
building a 10' dia deck island over the pond.

Chip

I was fortunate, my neightbor owns the John Deere, I rented the back hoe,
Seeing how my neighbor is also an operator engineer and works with this type
of equipment everyday, he was kind enough to dig the perfect hole for me.
With out his help I would still be shaping the hole in the ground to try and
resemble a pond.
It will be 11x11x 3 when its all said and done...
Stay tune for more pics
"Drew Lawson" <drew@furrfu.com> wrote in message
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> In article <1192453046.822060.56860@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com>
> Phyllis and Jim <jimandphyllisrp@gmail.com> writes:
>>Nice pics. Please keep us posted as you go along. I like your
>>equipment. It sure beats the tar out of a shovel!
>
> All these construction pictures with bobcats have me seriously
> jealous. Assuming no disruptions, I'll be digging a pond this
> spring (winter is for full planning). Unfortunately, our gate is
> narrow, and all of the good places to consider opening the fence
> have my wife's gardens.
>
> Hmmm, maybe I can start the project list with some transplanting
> and installing a wider gate.
>
> Now, if I can only come to a decision on koi/no-koi (to commit to
> a depth) . . . .
>
>
>

In article <pNKdnRQXdLJfSI7anZ2dnUVZ_rWtnZ2d@comcast.com>
"Peter Pan" <Peter@neverland.net> writes:
>I was fortunate, my neightbor owns the John Deere, I rented the back hoe,
>Seeing how my neighbor is also an operator engineer and works with this type
>of equipment everyday, he was kind enough to dig the perfect hole for me.
>With out his help I would still be shaping the hole in the ground to try and
>resemble a pond.
>It will be 11x11x 3 when its all said and done...
>Stay tune for more pics

My current thought is rectangular, semi-formal (geometric, but not
"fancy") around 10'x15', raised 1' to 1.5' (sitting height). Total
depth is in constant flipping between 2.5', 4' and anything in between.

At 4', I'd feel comfortable doing koi, at 3' I'd wonder if I was
doing the right thing. Less than that, expecially with freezing
issues (western Ohio), and I wouldn't consider the koi.

Those are just my comfort levels, no claim of expertise.

The other thing is that I haven't talked to my wife about plants
yet. I've had a pond (goldfish and frogs) before, and she hasn't.
I'm neutral on water lilies and lotus, so koi are no problem. If
she has leanings toward them, the pond will probably be 1' up and
~1.5' down. Easy cleaning depth, at least above 70F.


>"Drew Lawson" <drew@furrfu.com> wrote in message
>news:uZOQi.4619$R95.1039@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
>> In article <1192453046.822060.56860@y27g2000pre.googlegroups.com>
>> Phyllis and Jim <jimandphyllisrp@gmail.com> writes:
>>>Nice pics. Please keep us posted as you go along. I like your
>>>equipment. It sure beats the tar out of a shovel!
>>
>> All these construction pictures with bobcats have me seriously
>> jealous. Assuming no disruptions, I'll be digging a pond this
>> spring (winter is for full planning). Unfortunately, our gate is
>> narrow, and all of the good places to consider opening the fence
>> have my wife's gardens.
>>
>> Hmmm, maybe I can start the project list with some transplanting
>> and installing a wider gate.
>>
>> Now, if I can only come to a decision on koi/no-koi (to commit to
>> a depth) . . . .
>>
>>
>>
>

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:14:29 CST, Chip <chip.wood@ieee.org> wrote:

>Speaking of depth, my pool to pond conversion goes from 3.5' to 8.5' at
>the bottom drain. Listers speak of problems getting in and out of the
>pond while cleaning and planting. Being a pool basically, I have no
>real problems with that, but getting down to 8.5' could be difficult. I
>have been thinking of over pouring concrete to make it about 3.5' all
>the way across, like a play pool. I have heard that the deeper, the
>better for koi, but how deep is practical?
>
>Remember I'm in PHX and it gets damn hot here. I have had the pool temp
>get into the 90's within 1-2' of the surface. How hot can koi stand?
>How deep is deep enough for koi? They will have plenty of shade as I am
>building a 10' dia deck island over the pond.

I would not give up the depth. I can't dive as deep or as long as I
once did, but I still have a mask for those projects like the bottom
drain (about 39" in my pond) and I don't hesitate to visit with the
fish during the warm weather.
--
Hal Middle Georgia, Zone 8
http://tinyurl.com/2fxzcb

On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:14:29 CST, Chip <chip.wood@ieee.org> wrote:

>Speaking of depth, my pool to pond conversion goes from 3.5' to 8.5' at
>the bottom drain. Listers speak of problems getting in and out of the
>pond while cleaning and planting. Being a pool basically, I have no
>real problems with that, but getting down to 8.5' could be difficult. I
>have been thinking of over pouring concrete to make it about 3.5' all
>the way across, like a play pool. I have heard that the deeper, the
>better for koi, but how deep is practical?
>
>Remember I'm in PHX and it gets damn hot here. I have had the pool temp
>get into the 90's within 1-2' of the surface. How hot can koi stand?
>How deep is deep enough for koi? They will have plenty of shade as I am
>building a 10' dia deck island over the pond.
>Chip

Hi Chip,

Down in your region there are various koi shows/seminars going on this time
of year (usually). You might want to google or check out the AKCA.org site
and see if they have a listing.

I'd hate to see you give up depth permanently and suddenly fall in love
with gorgeous koi that leaves many of us drooling. Not to mention, have you
ever seen a BIG koi? Amazing creatures, kind of like having your own Namu
in your back yard! And in your area it wouldn't take long to grow 'em big.
You've got year around ponding in your location. ~ jan
------------
Zone 7a, SE Washington State
Ponds: www.jjspond.us

In article <mnekh318i25af6sor7ptbrtfnuqerpcioo@4ax.com>,
~ jan <Seewebsite@jjspond.us> wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:14:29 CST, Chip <chip.wood@ieee.org> wrote:
>
> >Speaking of depth, my pool to pond conversion goes from 3.5' to 8.5' at
> >the bottom drain. Listers speak of problems getting in and out of the
> >pond while cleaning and planting. Being a pool basically, I have no
> >real problems with that, but getting down to 8.5' could be difficult. I
> >have been thinking of over pouring concrete to make it about 3.5' all
> >the way across, like a play pool. I have heard that the deeper, the
> >better for koi, but how deep is practical?
> >
> >Remember I'm in PHX and it gets damn hot here. I have had the pool temp
> >get into the 90's within 1-2' of the surface. How hot can koi stand?
> >How deep is deep enough for koi? They will have plenty of shade as I am
> >building a 10' dia deck island over the pond.
> >Chip
>
> Hi Chip,
>
> Down in your region there are various koi shows/seminars going on this time
> of year (usually). You might want to google or check out the AKCA.org site
> and see if they have a listing.
>
> I'd hate to see you give up depth permanently and suddenly fall in love
> with gorgeous koi that leaves many of us drooling. Not to mention, have you
> ever seen a BIG koi? Amazing creatures, kind of like having your own Namu
> in your back yard! And in your area it wouldn't take long to grow 'em big.
> You've got year around ponding in your location. ~ jan
> ------------
> Zone 7a, SE Washington State
> Ponds: www.jjspond.us

You also have Barstow Koi (Barstow, CA), located in a place that rivals
Phoenix (almost) for heat. And they raise and sell koi there!
I've seen their ponds and there is generally no shade. They do keep the
water very murky. You might want to check them out for tips.
http://www.koifarm.com/

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