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Hi everyone,
I’m new here and new to ponds.
We bought a house in June that has a relatively small waterfall feature in the backyard. The house is 20 months old so this is about the same age.

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For the first few days after we moved in, I didn’t even think of the backyard so the pump (filter?) remained off. I had no instructions whatsoever about how to maintain it (and didn’t even think to ask, actually) — but knew we had a remote control to “turn it on.” I finally turned it on about 4-5 days in because I noticed the water was greenish, and figured it needed to be run.

For about a week, I turned it on each morning and turned it off each night. And then I started thinking it was maybe supposed to be on all day 24/7 so I kept it on for about a week.

One Saturday, about three weeks into living here and while we were watching TV, our entire left side of the garage (at the front of the house) blew a circuit (tripped?), taking with it the power to the water heater, modem, and garage door opener. We got an electrician to come out and he turned it back on. By day’s end, it blew again when I wasn’t home and my husband said nothing unusual had happened.

When we had another electrician come out, he brought the power back again. I happened to ask about the water feature and if he could look into that too while he was here — and he said he would. So we took him to the back and I used the control to turn it on (to show it didn’t work) when the entire system tripped again. He figured out that the water feature pump was the culprit and once that was unplugged — everything else was back to normal and has remained that way since.

It’s now been a month since. I’m having the toughest time trying to find a service provider who can come out and fix it. I had one koi pond specialist come out and he tried but could not find where the pump is. He believes water either got into the pump or the pipe that houses the cord that leads it to the outlet on the patio, and is tripping the circuit. Doesn’t do me any good if he can’t find the pump.

I got the name of the company that built this feature from the former owners to at least tell me where the pump is. As mentioned, this is less than two years old but the company claims the warranty is null and void now because the house was sold and the warranty doesn’t transfer. What the…. ugh. It’s not even a battle I want to take on right now, but unsurprisingly, I haven’t even gotten a call back to tell me where the damn pump is or what kind of pump is in this thing.

I finally had someone from a pond company come out today and the diagnosis is the same. But now, the water is darker and I can see some bug activity on it. (It’s making me itchy just thinking about it.) He thinks there might be an auto-fill on this after learning I have never filled it since the beginning of June and it’s been 110-117F in Vegas recently.

He recommends a full cleaning ($550) and once emptied, they will find the pump. If the pump is the issue, they’ll replace that for what he thinks will be $400-500. If water got in the pipe, it’ll be $150-ish to vacuum the pipe and replace the cord. He also suggests I change to a pond-less waterfall feature now or in the future to alleviate the maintenance if I am not keeping fish. (I think it’s too shallow and small — and way too hot here — to keep fish alive in this thing!) But that would be around $4,000-5,000, he said.

Since he can’t schedule me in until next Wednesday, so I asked what I can do to kill the bugs (mosquitoes?) that I can see on the surface. (They weren’t there last week.) He suggested I go buy pool chlorine and pour it in, and that will take care of it until they come next week.

So, for those of you well-versed on pond-keeping — does this sound like a good plan? And do the prices sound reasonable? And if I pour chlorine in here and there’s a bird that drinks out of it, will it die? I haven’t seen birds drink out of it (though I have lots of hummers that come by to feed on the feeder) and I know my dog doesn’t drink from it — but I’m wondering what chlorinating this pond will do or if there’s something safer I ought to do. I’m guessing I’ll need monthly (?) maintenance after this is fixed.

I’ve kept up to 60-gallon aquariums indoors and loved it. But I’ve never had an outdoor pond of any kind and am just beginning to learn. I don’t plan on doing the pond-less waterfall anytime soon, but in the next couple of years, I’d be open to either that or making this even bigger, but I don’t know what kind of money pit I’m getting myself into. It was a huge selling point for me when buying this house and the waterfall and water sounds made the backyard so serene and relaxing, so this has been disappointing, but I can’t wait to bring it back.

Thanks, guys, for any guidance you can offer!
 

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Welcome to the forum!

Can the former owner tell you where the pump is or did they have it built and paid no attention to the build?

Buy some mosquito dunks https://smile.amazon.com/s?k=mosqui...sprefix=mos,aps,181&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_9_3

If it where mine I would drain it, then you could find the piping that draws the water from the pond into the pump. There must be a way to get to the pump, pumps do fail and need replacing off and on.

Stick with us we will be able to help you through this. And you should be able to keep the pond without going pondless for 5k.

Others will chime in as they read this. Got a lot of smart ponders on here.
 
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Hi everyone,
I’m new here and new to ponds.
We bought a house in June that has a relatively small waterfall feature in the backyard. The house is 20 months old so this is about the same age.

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For the first few days after we moved in, I didn’t even think of the backyard so the pump (filter?) remained off. I had no instructions whatsoever about how to maintain it (and didn’t even think to ask, actually) — but knew we had a remote control to “turn it on.” I finally turned it on about 4-5 days in because I noticed the water was greenish, and figured it needed to be run.

For about a week, I turned it on each morning and turned it off each night. And then I started thinking it was maybe supposed to be on all day 24/7 so I kept it on for about a week.

One Saturday, about three weeks into living here and while we were watching TV, our entire left side of the garage (at the front of the house) blew a circuit (tripped?), taking with it the power to the water heater, modem, and garage door opener. We got an electrician to come out and he turned it back on. By day’s end, it blew again when I wasn’t home and my husband said nothing unusual had happened.

When we had another electrician come out, he brought the power back again. I happened to ask about the water feature and if he could look into that too while he was here — and he said he would. So we took him to the back and I used the control to turn it on (to show it didn’t work) when the entire system tripped again. He figured out that the water feature pump was the culprit and once that was unplugged — everything else was back to normal and has remained that way since.

It’s now been a month since. I’m having the toughest time trying to find a service provider who can come out and fix it. I had one koi pond specialist come out and he tried but could not find where the pump is. He believes water either got into the pump or the pipe that houses the cord that leads it to the outlet on the patio, and is tripping the circuit. Doesn’t do me any good if he can’t find the pump.

I got the name of the company that built this feature from the former owners to at least tell me where the pump is. As mentioned, this is less than two years old but the company claims the warranty is null and void now because the house was sold and the warranty doesn’t transfer. What the…. ugh. It’s not even a battle I want to take on right now, but unsurprisingly, I haven’t even gotten a call back to tell me where the damn pump is or what kind of pump is in this thing.

I finally had someone from a pond company come out today and the diagnosis is the same. But now, the water is darker and I can see some bug activity on it. (It’s making me itchy just thinking about it.) He thinks there might be an auto-fill on this after learning I have never filled it since the beginning of June and it’s been 110-117F in Vegas recently.

He recommends a full cleaning ($550) and once emptied, they will find the pump. If the pump is the issue, they’ll replace that for what he thinks will be $400-500. If water got in the pipe, it’ll be $150-ish to vacuum the pipe and replace the cord. He also suggests I change to a pond-less waterfall feature now or in the future to alleviate the maintenance if I am not keeping fish. (I think it’s too shallow and small — and way too hot here — to keep fish alive in this thing!) But that would be around $4,000-5,000, he said.

Since he can’t schedule me in until next Wednesday, so I asked what I can do to kill the bugs (mosquitoes?) that I can see on the surface. (They weren’t there last week.) He suggested I go buy pool chlorine and pour it in, and that will take care of it until they come next week.

So, for those of you well-versed on pond-keeping — does this sound like a good plan? And do the prices sound reasonable? And if I pour chlorine in here and there’s a bird that drinks out of it, will it die? I haven’t seen birds drink out of it (though I have lots of hummers that come by to feed on the feeder) and I know my dog doesn’t drink from it — but I’m wondering what chlorinating this pond will do or if there’s something safer I ought to do. I’m guessing I’ll need monthly (?) maintenance after this is fixed.

I’ve kept up to 60-gallon aquariums indoors and loved it. But I’ve never had an outdoor pond of any kind and am just beginning to learn. I don’t plan on doing the pond-less waterfall anytime soon, but in the next couple of years, I’d be open to either that or making this even bigger, but I don’t know what kind of money pit I’m getting myself into. It was a huge selling point for me when buying this house and the waterfall and water sounds made the backyard so serene and relaxing, so this has been disappointing, but I can’t wait to bring it back.

Thanks, guys, for any guidance you can offer!
@addy1 's got you started. I'd steer clear of anyone wanting to 'fix' a cord on that pump; there's a reason it failed. Just get a new pump. As far as price, hard to say without specs on the pump but as a for instance, my 4k gal/hr pump was about $240 (it's a submersible). Your pump is either submersible (down in the pond somewhere) or external (in some sort of utility shed/box to keep the weather out. My bet is you have a submersible. Do you know where the pump is plugged in? That is, do you know where the cord is? If so, you can trace that back and your pump will be attached.

Putting in chlorine will harm the wildlife (don't remember if you said you had fish) but the mosquito dunks addy mentioned are better anyhow. If you can ever get water movement, which should always be on 24/7, that will stop any mosquito activity as they don't breed in moving water.

Re cleaning; I doubt you need it (esp if only 2 years old) and we tend to discourage such action because it would force your pond to begin again. You'd have NPS (new pond syndrome) which will only frustrate you as the pond starts the cycle all over again. You've got cycled water now, you just need to clean it up a bit. Plants and lots of them, will help (think floaters like water lettuce and water hyacinth as they're very aggressive re roots and nutrient uptake). Consider adding an upflow wetland filter (what we call bog filtration) to really help you out. There's lots of threads here; do a search and spend some time deciding if it's something you're interested in. You probably have some sort of filter now (maybe not without any fish, animals in the pond, etc).

If you have to, drain the pond (but don't clean/scrub it) and find the pump, replace it, then fill back up. You may experience some green water but if you get some floating plants, it'll soon subside (and/or install a bog). I'd first take a hard-tine rake and sweep the bottom of the pond and try and snag the pump, this way you don't have to drain anything. If you do have some sort of filtration, let us know and maybe we can advise it's effectiveness based on your needs/wants.

Worst case scenario, you buy a new pump, connect it to an outdoor gfci-protected outlet, run new pipe/tubing to the waterfall, and circumvent whatever you have now, including any switch to turn it on/off. Your pump, as noted, should be always on. If you know the gallonage, that will help with any recommendations re pumps. If you don't, then do some measuring and there's online pond volume calculators you can use, or some smart person here can do the math for you. You'd need length, width, depth (average or specifically marked areas).
 
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Mosquito dunks work well, are wildlife safe and you can buy them at your local hardware store, or you can use chlorine. We have a little water fountain in our front walkway that I really don't like but have been too lazy to do anything about and have been using some of the chlorine from our pool in there and it keeps it clean; birds never go there so it hasn't been an issue. If your fountain is actually accessible to birds and you've seen them drinking I would definitely go with Addy1's suggestion of the dunks.

I know with temps like you all are having in Vegas right now I wouldn't want to be doing any yard work right now, but if the rocks aren't mortared in place it seems like you could just locate the pump yourself once you figure out where it is by tracing it either from the intake pipe at the bottom or the waterfall spillway at the top. I also had experience with aquariums but not ponds and built my own pond by hand this spring (it's above ground and small, full disclosure) with advice from this group and I'm really happy with how it turned out and only at a fraction of the costs you are being quoted - it also doesn't require formal monthly maintenance or anything like that, just using my eyes, and occasionally pulling out some dead leaves and minor gardening since it's chock full of plants, visually checking that the pond pump bag isn't clogged by looking at the amount of water flow ( if it is clogged I just pull the bag off the pump and rinse it out in some pond water and slip it back on, the pump is right at the edge of the pond 12" down, so super easy to access), I only had to monitor water parameters in the beginning when it was cycling. Maybe wait until it cools off a touch in your area and make it a multi-weekend project to modify as you like, and use the hot temps right now as your planning period? If you did want to keep fish you could make it deeper and use a shade cloth maybe?
 
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Also, I really couldn't tell from the photo, how big is the actual pool at the bottom of your waterfall? I can't tell if this is closer to a pondless waterfall type feature or if it truly has a pond area 18" deep or greater.
 
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Welcome to the forum!

Can the former owner tell you where the pump is or did they have it built and paid no attention to the build?

Buy some mosquito dunks https://smile.amazon.com/s?k=mosquito+dunk&crid=1QXUM3K0SAM1W&sprefix=mos,aps,181&ref=nb_sb_ss_ts-doa-p_9_3

If it where mine I would drain it, then you could find the piping that draws the water from the pond into the pump. There must be a way to get to the pump, pumps do fail and need replacing off and on.

Stick with us we will be able to help you through this. And you should be able to keep the pond without going pondless for 5k.

Others will chime in as they read this. Got a lot of smart ponders on here.
Thank you, Addy1.
The previous owners don’t know anything. All they could give me was the name of the company that made it and they’ve been, to put it politely, unresponsive.

My husband is out right now getting the pool chlorine and per your advice, mosquito dunks. Do you know if it’s okay to use both at the same time? Hopefully, the two will get the situation under control for the time being. We haven’t gotten mosquito bites but it’s not like we are spending time outside in these temps.

It seems < 2 years is too short for a pump lifespan but maybe we will discover some reason for it and can address it.

Thanks!
 
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@addy1 's got you started. I'd steer clear of anyone wanting to 'fix' a cord on that pump; there's a reason it failed. Just get a new pump. As far as price, hard to say without specs on the pump but as a for instance, my 4k gal/hr pump was about $240 (it's a submersible). Your pump is either submersible (down in the pond somewhere) or external (in some sort of utility shed/box to keep the weather out. My bet is you have a submersible. Do you know where the pump is plugged in? That is, do you know where the cord is? If so, you can trace that back and your pump will be attached.

Putting in chlorine will harm the wildlife (don't remember if you said you had fish) but the mosquito dunks addy mentioned are better anyhow. If you can ever get water movement, which should always be on 24/7, that will stop any mosquito activity as they don't breed in moving water.

Re cleaning; I doubt you need it (esp if only 2 years old) and we tend to discourage such action because it would force your pond to begin again. You'd have NPS (new pond syndrome) which will only frustrate you as the pond starts the cycle all over again. You've got cycled water now, you just need to clean it up a bit. Plants and lots of them, will help (think floaters like water lettuce and water hyacinth as they're very aggressive re roots and nutrient uptake). Consider adding an upflow wetland filter (what we call bog filtration) to really help you out. There's lots of threads here; do a search and spend some time deciding if it's something you're interested in. You probably have some sort of filter now (maybe not without any fish, animals in the pond, etc).

If you have to, drain the pond (but don't clean/scrub it) and find the pump, replace it, then fill back up. You may experience some green water but if you get some floating plants, it'll soon subside (and/or install a bog). I'd first take a hard-tine rake and sweep the bottom of the pond and try and snag the pump, this way you don't have to drain anything. If you do have some sort of filtration, let us know and maybe we can advise it's effectiveness based on your needs/wants.

Worst case scenario, you buy a new pump, connect it to an outdoor gfci-protected outlet, run new pipe/tubing to the waterfall, and circumvent whatever you have now, including any switch to turn it on/off. Your pump, as noted, should be always on. If you know the gallonage, that will help with any recommendations re pumps. If you don't, then do some measuring and there's online pond volume calculators you can use, or some smart person here can do the math for you. You'd need length, width, depth (average or specifically marked areas).
Hi brokensword!

The koi pond guy (who ultimately couldn’t find the pump) said it was in the water somewhere but the rocks are just piled on top of one another and after moving 8-10, he didn’t feel like it’d be safe to undo more.

It was this outlet and cord that’s tripping the circuit.

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Unfortunately, I can’t “follow the cord” to the pump because it goes under the pavers, through this pipe and I cannot find where it comes out in or near the pond. I don’t know what the black thing is but I’m guessing it’s for the remote we have in the house to turn on the waterfall (or pump, I guess).

I had no idea it needed to be “on” 24/7. You’d think the owners would have kept it on when moving out if that was the case. Ugh.

I don’t have any fish in here and don’t know if ever there were any fish in here. I wouldn’t mind some fish but it’s not a huge pond and I imagine the water must get pretty hot when we hit 110+ (which is basically all summer long).

If we have a filter, I presume we have to drain to find it and the pump, right? I don’t know if the algae and water is worse because the former owners didn’t keep it on and then I left it off for more days after moving in, and now it’s been off for a month — or if the water is supposed to be like this. Or maybe I broke the pump by keeping it on when the water was too murky already?
Is it possible to add a filter now? I wouldn’t mind adding one now when we fix this situation if the cost is reasonable and it keeps the water clean.

I do have some nurseries nearby that sell water plants. This pond is at the SE corner of the yard…..so it’s bright pretty much all day.

Ill try to get some rough measurements later. When the koi pond man was digging through it, it looked to be about 2 feet deep at most.

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Mosquito dunks work well, are wildlife safe and you can buy them at your local hardware store, or you can use chlorine. We have a little water fountain in our front walkway that I really don't like but have been too lazy to do anything about and have been using some of the chlorine from our pool in there and it keeps it clean; birds never go there so it hasn't been an issue. If your fountain is actually accessible to birds and you've seen them drinking I would definitely go with Addy1's suggestion of the dunks.

I know with temps like you all are having in Vegas right now I wouldn't want to be doing any yard work right now, but if the rocks aren't mortared in place it seems like you could just locate the pump yourself once you figure out where it is by tracing it either from the intake pipe at the bottom or the waterfall spillway at the top. I also had experience with aquariums but not ponds and built my own pond by hand this spring (it's above ground and small, full disclosure) with advice from this group and I'm really happy with how it turned out and only at a fraction of the costs you are being quoted - it also doesn't require formal monthly maintenance or anything like that, just using my eyes, and occasionally pulling out some dead leaves and minor gardening since it's chock full of plants, visually checking that the pond pump bag isn't clogged by looking at the amount of water flow ( if it is clogged I just pull the bag off the pump and rinse it out in some pond water and slip it back on, the pump is right at the edge of the pond 12" down, so super easy to access), I only had to monitor water parameters in the beginning when it was cycling. Maybe wait until it cools off a touch in your area and make it a multi-weekend project to modify as you like, and use the hot temps right now as your planning period? If you did want to keep fish you could make it deeper and use a shade cloth maybe?
I’ve never seen any birds drink out of the pond but I did spot a lizard or two near it on a couple occasions.

A lot of my worry roots from whether I’m doing more damage to this water feature because I can’t find someone to fix it. I’m pretty handy with most household things but electricity & murky water is where I draw the line. The rocks are not mortared together (surprisingly). It appears well piled and is otherwise sturdy in , but that was also why the koi pond man was hesitant to dig around more to find the pump….because it could come apart. I also have zero confidence I can put it back together myself since I have zero idea how one makes a pond or what parts are involved.

There’s pump bag in here that I need to empty?

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I just mentioned in another reply but in case you don’t see it, it looked to be about 2 feet deep, like if I stepped in it, it wouldn’t quite reach my knees. I can’t tell how far beyond the rock edges the “pool” extends though — and I couldn’t tell if there were more rock layers below what is visible on the bottom. I’ll be sure to get photos if they empty it!

Thank you!
 
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I found video from our house listing video when the waterfall was working, just in case it gives someone more clues re: what I might need (or what I did wrong). Looks like the water was a little green but otherwise pretty clear.

Waterfall Pond
 

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I would start by draining the pond, you might be surprised at what you find. Nothing in there to harm you, use a sump pump or start a hose up and stick it in the bottom, then turn the water off and take off faucet, let it drain.
 
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Is the pump in the pump bag?
I think she got confused because I mentioned my pump is in a pump bag. I surely hope multiple pond professionals wouldn't miss a submerged pump in a bag!
 

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