Bog building

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    addy for the one you do the slits in do you raise these off the bottom of the bog any?
     
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    addy1 water gardener / gold fish and shubunkins Moderator

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    No I have them facing down laying on the bottom, some pea gravel may have gotten between the pipe and the liner, when we shoveled in the gravel. With the slots we made 1/3-1/2 through the pipe there is plenty of room for the water to get out of the pipe, we used 2 inch pvc. I did put extra pieces of liner down under the pipe, so the water would not pound on the real liner. Some put the holes / slots facing up, but the pea gravel is real good about falling into those holes.
     
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    Addy, re-reading your post, and realize now that you used hard or solid PVC pipe, and I was using flexible tubing . I'm going to use the PVC on my next pond. Also, I got the answer to my question about how much percentage of bog should be compared to water surface area. I think I'm on the 30%, so the bog should filter my new pond very well! That way I can put the water wheel on or near the new pond at any time, if I find that it will work out after all.
    My existing pond has the black flexible tubing, so that's why we drilled holes instead of using a circular saw. I can see where the slits will be better than holes in the PVC piping. And, it will be more rigid and larger and no metal clamps to worry about, and I won't worry about walking on the bog, either! Also, I note that you say to have the water below the top of the pea gravel. Do you have another area of plants that float in our bog, or are all your floating plants (like what you sent to me last summer) in the main pond? I have about 1-2" of water in my existing bog.
    There is so much more information I took from reading this thread this time than I got from the first time! I guess because I understand things better now, and have seen what it looks like last year! This next pond will be much more planned out and hopefully more level than my main pond. :)
    Thanks again for such a great thread!
     
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    pondlover Bogs are good for more than just your pond!

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    I don't have any plants in my bog yet and am really ready to get some. I have gone over Addy's build and this thread again and found think that my bog definitely needs more gravel. So I went on my lunch hour today and got another truck load. The bad part is, I will definitely have to really rinse it well before putting it in the bog because I don't want all that dirt in there again. I have tried to compile a list of plants to put in my bog. I did get some seeds yesterday and plan on trying to get those started tomorrow. I guess I will plant them in containers and then transfer to bog when they have grown some.

    CE - we used the hard PVC in our bog and cut the slits like Addy suggested. I am certainly no expert, but I think our water flow is really good going through the bog and hope it will be as great a source of filtration as Addy's is.
     
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    CE, my bog to pond ratio is around or slightly over 30% but never have really measured, so not sure by how much.
    The pea gravel is mostly above the water, I have some below it has settled some with time, but I have not gotten around to adding more. I do keep low spots, 2 inches of water or so, for the birds to bath in.
    All floating plants are in the pond.
    Any plants that need to have crowns dry I have raised the pea gravel to make a mound to put them on.

    I used the rigid pipe, I wanted two inch pipe, never thought of using the flex stuff, and it is under a whole bunch of gravel weight. The slots have a smaller chance of being plugged by gravel, muck etc. If you point them down make sure you put a piece of liner between the real liner and the pvc, you don't want the constant pounding on the real liner.

    PL
    When I send you the lilies you sent the postage for, I will include a few bog plants, my blue forgetmenot is growing great, some of the other stuff is just starting, I will pull some and stick it in. I may not get all labeled, but they will be bog plants, even will include a few floaters that have started growing. I will rinse them well before shipping, you might want to float or put in some a light bleach solution to make sure snails etc are not hanging on...........the pieces won't be huge but will grow.

    Yeah the pea gravel dirt sucks, we just had no choice, dry dry summer and on a well, rather have drinking water and fight muck in the pond, then have no muck and a dry well lol

    I have some taros that have been growing all winter, will toss in a few of them also, just don't let them frost too bad, and a few that I let dry out to be planted once it warms, will toss some of them in to.
     
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    Addy, I have my taro (and elephant ear) in the basement. I didn't know I could have let the taro dry out and then put it back out! It's growing really well in the basement, and the elephant ear is holding its own, but not growing a bunch. I suspect once they are all put outside they will go gangbusters.
    And, I think I may have goofed up with some plants that you and JW sent to me. I put a couple of them in cups in the bog, but I think I thought several were floating plants and needed to just be floating. Stupid me! I know a few of them I have found with small starts on them when I was cleaning string algae out of there so I'm hoping they will all make it. I'll need to get more gravel for that bog, and also for the new one. Truckload it is!
    Need to get outside. Have to take pup to the vet check it for microchip, then get to digging. Oh what fun!!!
     
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    Addy, do you have a thread on your carnivorous plant bog? I want to find out how you built it....
     
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    addy1 water gardener / gold fish and shubunkins Moderator

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    I could start one, or type it here which do you prefer?
     
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    It doesn't matter. Is this just like a regular bog only filled with peat? Is it all peat or is it a mixture? Do you have to fill it up periodically or let the rain take care of it. those type of ?'s
     
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    The carnivorous bog is simple:

    A liner, tarp, plastic, with some holes in it. I don't have holes in my home depot tarp, do have a edge I can nudge down if we get a ton of rain.

    It is a equal mixture of peat moss and sand

    You only need it about 8-12 inches deep.

    The plants like to be wet then dry wet then dry. Mine stay somewhat wet unless it really is dry, no rain for weeks. I add water only if we have a long dry spell, like the last two summers I had to water the bogs. This spring so far have not added any water.
     
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    I was planning on having my skimmer feed a trickle tower which would then feed the bog. My bottom drains and mid level would be using a airlift setup with a settling tank and bio filter. From reading this I wonder if just the settling tank would be needed for the airlift part. My pond is 10,000 gallons and has Koi and goldfish. Should I have both systems feeding the bog?
     
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    My pond feeds directly into the pond bog, I do not have bottom drains or koi. If I had bottom drains I would install a settlement tank to snag the big muck, but no bio before the bog, the plants love the nutrients.
     
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    I forgot to mention they love acidic, therefore the peat moss, our well water is 5.6 our rain is low ph also.

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    The back yard plant bog is near the top of our stream, right below the white hose hanging
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    I put in some false asters, they love the dampness and stay small The green plant bottom of the picture is a cardinal, beautiful red flowers if it decides to bloom, usually later in the season. It too likes damp

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    So in the last pic this lined with a liner with no holes?
     
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    They are doing very nicely in there addy! What a pretty bloom that Sundew has!
     
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    yes a brown home depot liner, the edge on the down hill side is held up by a few rocks, I can drop it down 2 inches if need be to drain some water, so far have never done that.

    The second to last picture you can see the rocks holding up the liner, 4 steps up, if we ever have a really really wet summer, and they stay wet too long I can drop that edge. Both of my carnivorous bogs are in full all day sun, they don't stay soaking wet.
     
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    Do you have to do anything with the carnivorous plants in the winter, Addy? Or, are they completely hardy where they are? And, how many plants did you initially have, and have they multiplied? Looks like you have quite a few, and I thought they were slow growing, but maybe some types multiply well. I'd like to try them sometime, and now knowing that they can be in their own little bog, not necessarily attached to the pond (or shouldn't maybe be, because of the peat), it could go anywhere, which is neat! Thanks for sharing the pics.
     
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    I finished the small box / waterfall bog I was building today. I like it . I used 2 x 12's and some leftover pond liner I kept from when we built the pond ... used 2 inch pipe > cut slots in it for the water to flow into the pea gravel ,,, it took 9 bags to fill it. I still need to find 2 or 3 more plants to plant in it.

    Front , Back , top view ,, you can kinda see the pipe one end is open and I put a cap on the other where I can flush it out if needed ..

    Picture of my koi and goldfish ... hubby is thinking of removing the goldfish and just keep the koi ...

    The last Picture is a side view of the pond before I added the bog box ...

    Tammy
     

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    Now that is pretty cool! ;)

    :goldfish:
     
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    Thanks ...
     
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