Bog building

Discussion in 'Pond Construction & Equipment' started by addy1, Jun 22, 2011.

  1. addy1

    Lisak1

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2013
    Messages:
    6,933
    Likes Received:
    7,786
    Location:
    Northern IL
    OK, well you lost me there!
     
    Lisak1, Mar 9, 2018
    1. Advertisements

  2. addy1

    GBBUDD

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2017
    Messages:
    1,273
    Likes Received:
    1,454
    Location:
    Ct
    I think I lost myself I have not kept it simple that's for sure.
     
    GBBUDD, Mar 9, 2018
    1. Advertisements

  3. addy1

    Molly1

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2018
    Messages:
    6
    Likes Received:
    4
    When you build with a bog, does the pond have sort of a cycle? I used to have salt tanks so im likening it to that. My pond has had water in for about three weeks now. The plants in my bog are a good clump of iris I had and the rest are small plants I just bought. Its starting to grow algae on all the rocks inside and the water color is a little tinted. Its about 1700 gallons, its been getting more sun than not because my trees dont have all the leaves out yet. I also have a fine layer of dirt on everything. I rinsed everything over and over but yet when you step on a rock or in the area that is shallow but full of pea gravel, it sets off a balloon of dirt.
     
    Molly1, May 13, 2018
  4. addy1

    Lisak1

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2013
    Messages:
    6,933
    Likes Received:
    7,786
    Location:
    Northern IL
    Welcome @Molly1 !

    All ponds cycle, regardless of the type of filtration. What you are experiencing sounds perfectly normal for a new pond. You want algae on your rocks as that adds to the eco-system of your pond, especially before your plants really start to grow. It also gives your fish something to nibble on that's alive and green - good stuff!

    Ask more questions if you have them, but perhaps in a new post as these longer threads sometimes get lost. We'd love to hear more about your pond - what kind of equipment, how is it constructed, how many fish, etc.
     
    Lisak1, May 13, 2018
    Telion, johnnyi, Molly1 and 1 other person like this.
  5. addy1

    Molly1

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2018
    Messages:
    6
    Likes Received:
    4
    Thanks for the response, Ill start a new thread soon, too tired from placing rocks all day!
     
    Molly1, May 13, 2018
    Telion likes this.
  6. addy1

    Telion

    Joined:
    Mar 4, 2018
    Messages:
    560
    Likes Received:
    769
    Welcome, and oh how I know that feeling.
     
    Telion, May 13, 2018
  7. addy1

    JamieB

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2017
    Messages:
    960
    Likes Received:
    635
    Location:
    North Oklahoma
    So talking last night, my hubby pointed out that since the pool already has a tear in it in one spot, we could convert it into an actual pond. I still want raised sides to protect my fish, from flooding, snakes, turtles, and water loving dogs. I’m thinking about doing a bog. I’ll have to work on what would be a good raised siding to prevent snakes, how high I’ll need the walls, and how big I need to go to get a total volume I like.
     
    JamieB, May 16, 2018
  8. addy1

    Mmathis TurtleMommy

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2011
    Messages:
    9,785
    Likes Received:
    5,587
    Location:
    NW Louisiana -- zone 8b
    @JamieB Sounds like a great idea! Not sure, but don’t think you can “prevent snakes,” though. What size and shape is the pool? Is it an in-ground or above-ground? And what do you mean by “raised sides to protect” from flooding, etc — do you mean to keep yard water from getting into the pond as opposed to pond water getting in the yard? We’ll need more info on the pool to be able to advise on a bog, etc. If you have pictures, this would be helpful.
     
    Mmathis, May 16, 2018
  9. addy1

    mrsclem mrsclem

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2008
    Messages:
    2,571
    Likes Received:
    2,269
    Location:
    st. mary's county, md.
    Hate to tell you JamieB- snakes can climb walls! If you have a pond and there are frogs, you will probably have a snake or two.
     
    mrsclem, May 16, 2018
    Mmathis likes this.
  10. addy1

    Mmathis TurtleMommy

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2011
    Messages:
    9,785
    Likes Received:
    5,587
    Location:
    NW Louisiana -- zone 8b
    Yep!
     
    Mmathis, May 16, 2018
  11. addy1

    JamieB

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2017
    Messages:
    960
    Likes Received:
    635
    Location:
    North Oklahoma
    They’d have to climb the ladder to get in what I have now. Picture 1
    Where I want to go is the center of the circle of my drive, where I was clearing weeds to do flower beds. I’ll sit down and draw out my ideas tonight. So by flooding, I refer to when the river jumps the banks, it can get all across the yard, almost to the house, washes out the road, up to about 2’ deep or so where I’m thinking of going with this. So my plan, is use the pool body, to be the liner and how I dig it out will determine depth. I’ll keep the edge of the liner up the wall about a foot, build a wall to support them, and be decorative, for me to sit on. I’ll set up an overflow in case the pond floods. I’m just starting to think this all through. The pool is 20-22’ across, about 4’ high, so if I down size it to a kidney shape, maybe 10-14’ across by 8’ wise, use 1/3 of an end as a big, plus some along the edges, that’d be plenty. I have to drag out a tape measure to know for sure just what dimensions will fit well. See rough draft layout, pic 2, but it’s subject to change based on how the liner fits and water volume. I’d like to aim for around 2000 gallons. That’s be more than enough, 1200 is more realistic with dedicating 1/3 to bog. 20 or so goldfish, at roughtly 30 gallons of space each, that’s 600 minimum, so leaves space for keeping some of the best babies and maybe a koi. Or two! I know this will be a big project to work up to. Gathering rock, digging the hole by hand, building the wall, draining the pool, storing as much water as I can and the fish, moving the liner. If I start digging this year on my days off, I could get a good hole started. Then next spring, maybe we will get rain, and that might tell me how deep it floods there for sure. Spend that year finishing the dig, gathering the rock, pump I’ll need, etc over the summer. Early autumn, drain the pool, move the liner, refill it, move the fish. If I do this in stages, I won’t get overwhelmed, kill my self pushing too hard, or kill my budget by spending too much at once.
     

    Attached Files:

    JamieB, May 16, 2018
  12. addy1

    Timothy Proprietor "Frog's Neck Inn"

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2015
    Messages:
    326
    Likes Received:
    522
    Location:
    Southern Maine
    JamieB, If you go to the DIY section of the forums and go back to April of 2015, I started a (too long) thread of converting an in-ground swimming pool to a pond and then an addendum concerning building a bog to accommodate the pond. I made some mistakes along the way, but mentioned them in the narrative and what I did to remedy the problems. The thread is not all inclusive for the projects involved, but might help......
    I only mention this in hopes that it may prevent my mistakes from being repeated in your new build.

    (edit:) Jamie, we posted at the same time.....sorry, I wasn't aware your pool was above ground. Some of my mistakes still may save you some grief.:)
     
    Last edited: May 16, 2018
    Timothy, May 16, 2018
    Mmathis likes this.
  13. addy1

    JamieB

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2017
    Messages:
    960
    Likes Received:
    635
    Location:
    North Oklahoma
    I’ll be doing a lot of reading before I get things actually in motion beyond rough drafts. I’ll go out with a garden hose and lay it out in a rough outline so I can see how it might look. I think getting a good idea of that is my first step, followed by digging, digging, and more digging. Then probably next year, at the end of summer, I’ll start the process of moving things. I’ll be digging it entirely by hand, maybe with a dog paw or 12 thrown in on occasion, or a kitty paw!
     
    JamieB, May 16, 2018
  14. addy1

    JamieB

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2017
    Messages:
    960
    Likes Received:
    635
    Location:
    North Oklahoma
    7DCAC98D-16CA-415D-8AF8-3A4DF12B1BC6.jpeg 28411A57-2B5F-4AC1-B153-56FE82D509F6.jpeg 0AE612E2-6DF8-4BC4-9A54-BE6509726893.jpeg 5D45DA2A-5FAF-46CD-B504-1D4371F29C44.jpeg B3287F02-2BAD-4D9C-959C-8227A2DCAE86.jpeg 88486BF5-2969-4FCA-B1D7-8732110D56CA.jpeg Here’s a few more pics, with where I want to put it. For those who have built ponds, does the location look ok? It has the Big tree to shade it from the east, I’ll be putting in smaller trees/ bushes like Jane Magnolia and lilacs to the west once those two trees are out. I have to work out how to run power out to the pump, and water. I’m thinking dig a trench, run wiring through a pipe and burry it. I can drag a hose from the house if I need to top it off. My to do list today is rearrange our room, move all my plants, mow, then use a garden hose to lay out a rough design. Maybe I’ll dig a boarder if it’s not too hot. We got a heavy dew, so that’ll be an afternoon chore so we can mow it first.
     

    Attached Files:

    JamieB, May 17, 2018
  15. addy1

    JamieB

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2017
    Messages:
    960
    Likes Received:
    635
    Location:
    North Oklahoma
    I got it mowed and my rough draft lay out using garden hose. Due to ease of running power, water out, I decided to go with a bog to the west side, so I can have power to a pump, add water in the bog, and if we go with dads idea, my little gazebo will become a bbq/ smoke pit. If I have it sized right, the pool body will fit it well, just need folding at the different depths. Dad suggested we build up the bog to be about a foot above ground level so to create a waterfall, just a small one. I might go a bit taller than a foot, so the entire bog sits above ground level, and if I do a stacked wall of flat rocks, that would amp up the waterfall sound. So I may start digging along the edges today, giving myself more of a rough draft idea. But before I do, does anyone see an issue with the shape/ layout? I know with the tree right there, I’ll have to do a skimmer.
     
    JamieB, May 17, 2018
  16. addy1

    Timothy Proprietor "Frog's Neck Inn"

    Joined:
    Apr 27, 2015
    Messages:
    326
    Likes Received:
    522
    Location:
    Southern Maine
    A skimmer is a good idea, but won't keep up with the leaves from the tree in the fall....you'll be cleaning it out two-three times a day. Consider a net stretched across the pond to prevent the leaves from even getting wet. If you live in a breezy area most of them will get blown away off the net.
     
    Timothy, May 18, 2018
  17. addy1

    JamieB

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2017
    Messages:
    960
    Likes Received:
    635
    Location:
    North Oklahoma
    Here’s my rough drawn layout. I’ve got the pipe from the pump running along the 12” deep ledge, but I’m thinking I may need to change that and just run it straight along the bottom max depth, do a 90 degree turn to climb to the bog, then another 90 degree where it will then t- off into two or three pipes to feed the bog. I’m thinking I’ll set up the pump in a cage of sorts to filter out the big stuff.
     
    JamieB, May 18, 2018
  18. addy1

    JamieB

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2017
    Messages:
    960
    Likes Received:
    635
    Location:
    North Oklahoma
    Good idea, I was thinking I might need a net with it being more accessible to herons than what I currently have. Somehow I doubt those birds would be scared off by my cats. But boy would the cats have fun stalking them!
     
    JamieB, May 18, 2018
  19. addy1

    JamieB

    Joined:
    Nov 28, 2017
    Messages:
    960
    Likes Received:
    635
    Location:
    North Oklahoma
    I got the iris all moved from where they were, since the guys finally are getting around to fencing in an area for the dogs. Have to move several plant beds. I shifted all the iris I could get over to where the well house where we have a seep. I got some tiger lilly dug up for Addy, I need to get it cleaned and packed. And dig more for others who want some.
     
    JamieB, May 19, 2018
  20. addy1

    addy1 water gardener / gold fish and shubunkins Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2010
    Messages:
    33,627
    Likes Received:
    18,447
    Location:
    Frederick, Maryland
    ^^and thank you very much!
     
    addy1, May 19, 2018
    JamieB likes this.
    1. Advertisements

Ask a Question

Want to reply to this thread or ask your own question?

You'll need to choose a username for the site, which only take a couple of moments (here). After that, you can post your question and our members will help you out.