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I'm new to this forum and am a bit overwhelmed with all the information here. I'm building a two pond system: a small above ground pond, roughly 3' x 5' and in the ground pond, yet to be dug out, roughly 10' x 5'. I have ducks and the larger pond is mainly for their use. I've had an above ground hard shell pond and in the ground kiddie pool for several years, till the hard shell pond developed a crack in the bottom a few months back. I decided to replace it with something more permanent. The upper, hard shell pond was holding WH as filtration, and mosquito fish (although they pretty much all migrated to the duckie pool).
I'm attaching photos of the above ground pond construction (cinder blocks with steel stakes and rebar). I filled it with some soil to make it two level and added sand. I have underlayment and EPDM liner ready, however, now I'm considering two things:
1. Should I make a hole in the bottom of the upper pond for draining? I did not consider this till finding some posts/photos in this forum with bottom drains. I had an issue with lots of black muck accumulating in the upper hard shell pond. I added a felt filter and a second pump that was taking water from the upper pond to the yet higher felt filter, but, much to my surprise, that didn't help much. Perhaps I need to drain the upper pond on regular basis to avoid this problem? That would be a hassle. I'm hoping that perhaps I can add some small water bugs that would eat the muck.
2. What is the best way to top off the lip of the pond? I want to use a somewhat flat stone to have water fall off it and over the rocks to the lower pond. I'm thinking of adding a layer of about 3" of mortar everywhere around, apart from the "waterfall" section. I would then put the underlayement and liner over the lip of the pond. The "waterfall" rock would also go over the liner, although I'm not sure how it would be attached to it. I've seen posts that mortar won't hold it. Would I need to glue it in place? Any other options? I presume liner has to go over the lip of the waterfall so that water does not seep in. Am I correct here?
I found some posts suggesting embedding pieces of wood in the mortar at the top, so that liner can be nailed to them. I like the idea. I presume there is no issue with this upper layer of mortar holding water (without any reinforcement) - there would probably be about an inch of water held by the mortar wall (that's how thick the "waterfall" stone is). Is there something else I should use instead?
Thanks for any pointers.
Lidia
I'm new to this forum and am a bit overwhelmed with all the information here. I'm building a two pond system: a small above ground pond, roughly 3' x 5' and in the ground pond, yet to be dug out, roughly 10' x 5'. I have ducks and the larger pond is mainly for their use. I've had an above ground hard shell pond and in the ground kiddie pool for several years, till the hard shell pond developed a crack in the bottom a few months back. I decided to replace it with something more permanent. The upper, hard shell pond was holding WH as filtration, and mosquito fish (although they pretty much all migrated to the duckie pool).
I'm attaching photos of the above ground pond construction (cinder blocks with steel stakes and rebar). I filled it with some soil to make it two level and added sand. I have underlayment and EPDM liner ready, however, now I'm considering two things:
1. Should I make a hole in the bottom of the upper pond for draining? I did not consider this till finding some posts/photos in this forum with bottom drains. I had an issue with lots of black muck accumulating in the upper hard shell pond. I added a felt filter and a second pump that was taking water from the upper pond to the yet higher felt filter, but, much to my surprise, that didn't help much. Perhaps I need to drain the upper pond on regular basis to avoid this problem? That would be a hassle. I'm hoping that perhaps I can add some small water bugs that would eat the muck.
2. What is the best way to top off the lip of the pond? I want to use a somewhat flat stone to have water fall off it and over the rocks to the lower pond. I'm thinking of adding a layer of about 3" of mortar everywhere around, apart from the "waterfall" section. I would then put the underlayement and liner over the lip of the pond. The "waterfall" rock would also go over the liner, although I'm not sure how it would be attached to it. I've seen posts that mortar won't hold it. Would I need to glue it in place? Any other options? I presume liner has to go over the lip of the waterfall so that water does not seep in. Am I correct here?
I found some posts suggesting embedding pieces of wood in the mortar at the top, so that liner can be nailed to them. I like the idea. I presume there is no issue with this upper layer of mortar holding water (without any reinforcement) - there would probably be about an inch of water held by the mortar wall (that's how thick the "waterfall" stone is). Is there something else I should use instead?
Thanks for any pointers.
Lidia