Filter plants starting to grow - any new ones to recommend?

Discussion in 'Pond Archive' started by Phyllis and Jim, Apr 7, 2007.

  1. Our weather has bee in the 70's here in Jackson, MS. The filter
    plants are starting to grow. Good idea! The pond is getting a bit
    cloudy (hard to see through) as other bio stuff also starts to grow!

    The hyacinth is just starting to make daughter plants.
    The celery is growing pretty aggressively.
    The parrots feather is gently sticking its tips up.
    The anacharis has grown well over the winter.
    The irises are about 3' tall and blooming
    The duckweed is covering the berm filters entirely. It will get
    overshadowed by the hyacinth.

    I will try to stick some pics up on our website.

    Has anyone got any ideas about good plants to add to the filter
    system? We are expecially interested in ones that would work early.

    Phyllis and Jim, Apr 7, 2007
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    drsolo Guest

    I overwinter cyperus inside. Then I move it outside with the big roots all
    ready to go when it is above freezing. you can think about overwintering
    some of the celery too, be sure that is not potted in dirt so it spreads
    well. Ingrid
    drsolo, Apr 7, 2007
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    kthirtya Guest

    Watercress gets going really early and can be
    removed easily, even it rooted in, its roots are
    I buy mine at the grocery store. It will root upside
    down it is so ridiculously easy to grow.

    k :)
    kthirtya, Apr 7, 2007
  4. Thanks.

    Our celery actually does well outside!

    Phyllis and Jim, Apr 7, 2007
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    Hal Guest

    I use parrot feather over winter. It grows back right after being
    frost bitten to the waterline. Cannas begins to grow at about 40F and
    so do cattails. Tall plants though, a bit of a problem when the wind


    Hal, Apr 7, 2007
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    Reel McKoi Guest

    From Carol

    The first ones to grow here in middle TN, zone 6 are the ones called "penny
    creeper" by the woman who have me a handful some years back. They look like
    little parasols on a stick. They grow like a vine along the pond's edges,
    but in the water. The leaves are about the size of a silver dollar. The
    others are the iris and parrots feather. Cat tails also come up early as do
    the water "Baby's breath."

    Frugal ponding since 1995.
    rec.ponder since late 1996.
    My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
    Zone 6. Middle TN USA
    ~~~~ } ~~~ }
    Reel McKoi, Apr 7, 2007
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    humBill Guest

    This sounds like Pennywort and yes it grows very fast and overwinters
    fairly well. If you give it something to root in it will have a
    tendency not to spread as quickly and grow more in one area. If you
    just throw it in the water, it will be much more gangly and spread
    rapidly. Each new stem starts another little root mass. I have
    already been giving away some this year and have more than I want now.
    humBill, Apr 7, 2007
  8. I have never heard of the penny creeper. I will look on Google to see
    if I can find it.

    Does it have another name?

    Phyllis and Jim, Apr 7, 2007
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    Reel McKoi Guest

    "Phyllis and Jim" wrote in message
    I looked it up. It's called "Water Pennywort," family Apiaceae
    (Umbellifeae) - the parsley or carrot family and is from Brazil. They may
    be from Brazil but they live over through the coldest winters. If they get
    a chance they'll also invade the earth around the pond. The koi and
    goldfish will not eat them.
    Frugal ponding since 1995.
    rec.ponder since late 1996.
    My Pond & Aquarium Pages:
    Zone 6. Middle TN USA
    ~~~~ } ~~~ }
    Reel McKoi, Apr 7, 2007
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    ~ jan Guest

    I wonder if it isn't Creeping Jenny? The name sure could have been changed
    around: Creeping Jenny does well in flower
    beds or wet areas. I use it in my floating islands. I believe Kathy used it
    in her center island. ~ jan
    ~ jan, Apr 8, 2007
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    humBill Guest

    No pennywort has much fewer leaves and they are considerably larger.
    I have had some that got so big they were almost like miniature water
    lilies, 3"? Creeping Jenny is another good one, except I think it
    just likes it's 'feet wet'.
    humBill, Apr 8, 2007
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    drsolo Guest

    drsolo, Apr 8, 2007
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    Peter Corser Guest

    Watercress is almost ideal - grows really rapidly even in a settlement tank
    with no substrate or in a tank which still has plastic Flocor! Here in the
    UK it can go almost dormant during hard winters, but usually restarts growth
    very early - I use it in all my filter tanks. We also like to eat
    watercress ourselves (much better, fresher and cheaper than supermarket
    stuff) and have an almost unlimited supply most of the year - the only
    problems can occur with cabbage white butterflie caterpillars and a tiny
    beetle (unidentified) which can both devastate the crop. Clearing off the
    infected top growth usually encourages regrowth within a couple of days and
    the water cleaning action continues virtually unaffected during this period.
    Watercress should be cropped frequently to encourage maximum growth - if you
    have no other uses it is a very good additive to a compost heap (seems to
    work like a natural accelerator).

    I also have a mixture of pond iris varieties and Papyrus in the header pond.
    The irises make a great show, but are very invasive and require regular
    root/tuber pruning to ensure a good flow of water. The papyrus is probably
    the best of all in efficiency of nutrient removal, but is a little tender.

    Pond plants are a no-go with my Koi - even overturned a large plastic
    washing basket (about 3 ft by 2 feet and weghted down with bricks!) we tried
    to use to grow water lilies!

    Peter Corser, Apr 8, 2007
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    ~ jan Guest

    Was: Re: Filter plants starting to grow - any new ones to recommend?
    Watercress is really high is good stuff also, but I took a bite out of mine
    and quickly spit it out, very BITTER. Is that normal? Are there different
    kinds of watercress types? Mine started out as a grocery store variety. How
    on earth do you eat it, I can't imagine having even a small bit of it in
    Now that's amazing. How big are your koi? ~ jan
    ~ jan, Apr 8, 2007
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    kthirtya Guest

    I actually like the taste of watercress, even
    the supermarket kind which is what we use
    when putting it in the pond. None out there
    this year as DH doesn't like it to take over
    the waterfall. Easy to rip out but marriage
    is a compromise...

    k :)
    kthirtya, Apr 8, 2007
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    Peter Corser Guest

    "~ jan" wrote in message

    Watercress should be very hot & peppery - most of what you get from the
    supermarket has probably lost a lot of its taste in transport! Having said
    that, the only source of watercress I have used for the pond is from the
    supermarket. There may be different kinds of watercress, but I have never
    seen or heard anything about the subject.

    I eat loads of it raw and often straight from the pond after washing in
    clean water (maybe I just have the taste), but it can be used in salads or
    cooking (watercress soup is a favoured by some). We are members of a UK
    Folk Dance Club (although my own activity is now zero due to medical
    problems) and we always take fresh watercress to our dances or party nights
    (done on what is known over here as an American Supper - everyone brings
    something along to share with anyone else who fancies it) and the watercress
    always runs out, no matter how much we take! Several of our neighbours are
    also happy to take as much as they can.

    One method which might make it more palatable to you would be to keep it for
    a few days to let some of the strength subside. Wash and roughly drain a
    bunch (enough to fill whatever size of plastic bag you have available), fill
    the bag ensuring there is some, but only a little, water in the bag - seal
    and it will keep for at least a week in the fridge and may be more to your
    taste. If the bag has any kind of breathing hole it does not seem to work
    as well. I usually rewash the watercress after 3 or 4 days - being lazy I
    just empty any old water out of the bag, partly refill the bag, swirl around
    and drain from the bag until there is no longer a continuous stream (a few
    attempts and practice should make perfect!) and reseal the bag.

    If all else fails watercress is a marvellous natural activator for a compost

    The koi are not particularly large - some around 2 ft/2 ft 6 in - but are
    large enough to trash anything when they are breeding. I have also decided
    that it is inadvisable to have any containers within the pond since my koi
    and orfe love "jumping" for insects above the pond and containers could
    cause damage.

    The pond was built 29 years ago and some of the koi have been with us since
    then - I have not added any fish to the pond for over 10 years (and that
    pair of koi are stunted at about a foot in length). There are also about 15
    huge Golden Orfe - the remnants of 60 we put into the pond as very small fry
    over its first two years. These are a similar size to the koi and are the
    reason the koi are not growing in size - koi do not emit pheromones when
    they reach maturity, which is why koi can grow huge in a koi only pond, but
    do respond to the pheromones of other fish. My koi could start growing
    again once the orfe have gone, but ..........

    Peter Corser, Apr 9, 2007
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    Nick Cramer Guest

    Nice description of your experience, Peter.

    Another excellent pond plant is Pennywort. We just pull the whole plants
    out of the ground,rinse off the dirt and drop them in the pond. They thrive
    and provide good hiding places for the fry. I like the leaves in a salad,

    Pic posted at alt.binaries.aquaria, Subject: "Pond Pennywort (I think)"
    Nick Cramer, Apr 10, 2007
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    ~ jan Guest

    On Mon, 9 Apr 2007 08:13:27 CST, "Peter Corser" wrote:

    Peter, thanks so much for sharing your experiences. A 29 yo pond, wow.
    Well... hot & peppery probably is equal to bitter on my tongue. ;-)
    Maybe they are fellow pond keepers and are taking it home as a pond plant.
    :) Apparently it is a locale taste. Here the grocery stores only started
    carrying it because pond people started asking for it. Then they found some
    of the immigrants would buy it as FOOD. Still, stores don't always carry
    Sounds like work.... and the willingness to acquire the taste. (I don't
    drink beer either for that reason.) :)
    Now this I can use... if the koi don't eat it first. ~ jan
    ~ jan, Apr 10, 2007
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    Gareee© Guest

    watercress is only availabel in my local stores if someone requests it, and
    I also found it very bitter.. almost a strong mustardy taste. The wife also
    found it distasteful, and I can;t imagien havinbg a watercress sandwich.

    OTOH, the fish gobbled all of it right up, faster then it could grow.. seems
    my guys will eat any plant I toss in there!
    Gareee©, Apr 10, 2007
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    kat >^.^ Guest

    "Gareee©" wrote in message
    Not to be off-topic, but the best watercress is flowering nasturtum, which I
    grew in my regular garden for many year. The seeds come in packets like any
    other flower. My sister-in-law was taken aback that anyone would serve her
    FLOWERS! But the blossoms are as delicious as the leaves, maybe even more
    I'm a sucker for the stems, too. Peppery and light, they add something to a
    salad. The flowers make a lovely accent on top, and instead of parsley to
    beautify a plate.
    I live in a cooler climate, though.

    kat >^.^<
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    kat >^.^, Apr 11, 2007
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