Frog, Toad or Fish Eggs?

Discussion in 'Fish & Koi Talk' started by pondlover, Apr 28, 2012.

  1. pondlover

    pondlover Life is Good!!

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2012
    Messages:
    578
    Likes Received:
    86
    Location:
    Jackson, TN
    Can someone tell me what these are? I think they are frog or toad eggs. We had a choir going on the other night with all of them croaking at once. And also had some playing piggy back, three high!! LOL I think CE said that! Hubby said they need to get a private room. :LOL: They were so loud and I absolutely love it! We still have tons of tad poles in the pond too.
    photo (93).JPG photo (95).JPG
     
    pondlover, Apr 28, 2012
    #1
    1. Advertisements

  2. pondlover

    addy1 water gardener / gold fish and shubunkins Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2010
    Messages:
    30,406
    Likes Received:
    14,519
    Location:
    Frederick, Maryland
    My guess is frogs, toads have strings of two eggs side by side, like a ribbon
     
    addy1, Apr 28, 2012
    #2
    1. Advertisements

  3. pondlover

    Rivermist

    Joined:
    Dec 16, 2010
    Messages:
    181
    Likes Received:
    12
    Location:
    MD
    wait and see ? lol
     
    Rivermist, May 4, 2012
    #3
  4. pondlover

    Eastsideloco

    Joined:
    May 12, 2012
    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    2
    Location:
    Austin, TX
    We've had some soaking rains recently. About 4 nights after the first male toad started croaking in the pond, we saw the first female. There were a dozen plus toads around the pond, yard and garden last night. This morning I found yards and yards of toad egg chains woven through the water lilies and floating plants.

    Here are pics of toad eggs:

    GardenPond.jpg GardenPond.ToadEggs.jpg ToadEggs.2.jpg
     
    Eastsideloco, May 12, 2012
    #4
    Tula likes this.
  5. pondlover

    j.w I Love my Goldies

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2010
    Messages:
    22,157
    Likes Received:
    11,655
    Location:
    Arlington, Washington
    Hey loco you are new and you can start a thread in the Introduction forum so we can welcome you properly if you like. Tell us a bit about you and your ponding etc. We like to get to know ya :)
    Neat photo's of the toad eggs! I like how you have that tub set up so you can sit right there and admire it. Lots of nice plants growing good for you I see!
     
    j.w, May 12, 2012
    #5
  6. pondlover

    Eastsideloco

    Joined:
    May 12, 2012
    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    2
    Location:
    Austin, TX
    Here you go, j.w.:

    https://www.gardenpondforum.com/topic/9139-central-east-austin-garden-pond/page__pid__117333#entry117333
     
    Eastsideloco, May 12, 2012
    #6
    Nanner likes this.
  7. pondlover

    addy1 water gardener / gold fish and shubunkins Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2010
    Messages:
    30,406
    Likes Received:
    14,519
    Location:
    Frederick, Maryland
    Neat, our toad eggs are dark and two next to each other the entire string.
     

    Attached Files:

    addy1, May 12, 2012
    #7
  8. pondlover

    Eastsideloco

    Joined:
    May 12, 2012
    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    2
    Location:
    Austin, TX
    Apparently it's possible to have too many toads in a pond. Our biggest and most handsome Shubunkin just keeled over, less than 24 hours after the toad eggs were laid. I never saw any of the fish eating the eggs, but apparently if there are enough eggs in the water the toxins can just overload the system. This is probably especially true of a small pond.

    Anyway, I've separated out the other Shubunkin into a tank with a 50-50 blend of pond water and filtered water. Tonight I'm going to start a catch and release program for the toads. I'll take the ones that are here down to Ladybird Lake, which is a dammed up portion of the (other) Colorado River that splits Austin along a north-south axis. In the morning I'll get the toad eggs out of the pond, and take those to the lake.

    Maybe I can find some frog eggs at the lake while I'm at it? It sounds like frogs are generally not toxic to fish the way toads are. I liked the idea of having something living near the garden and eating bugs. We have plenty of those to go around.
     
    Eastsideloco, May 13, 2012
    #8
  9. pondlover

    Eastsideloco

    Joined:
    May 12, 2012
    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    2
    Location:
    Austin, TX
    Relocated 11 toads to the Ladybird Lake last night. The only way I could remove the egg chains this morning, while keeping them more or less intact, was to give the lilies a haircut. Then I did a light vacuum of the pond bottom. I might still get a few toad tadpoles, but presumably not so many as to create a toxic environment for the fish.
     
    Eastsideloco, May 13, 2012
    #9
  10. pondlover

    j.w I Love my Goldies

    Joined:
    Feb 1, 2010
    Messages:
    22,157
    Likes Received:
    11,655
    Location:
    Arlington, Washington
    Did not know that info about the toads. Guess I will be glad we don't have any around here now! Hoping for more frogs tho!
     
    j.w, May 13, 2012
    #10
  11. pondlover

    addy1 water gardener / gold fish and shubunkins Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2010
    Messages:
    30,406
    Likes Received:
    14,519
    Location:
    Frederick, Maryland
    My toads laid in the lotus tub, 6 different toads, tons of eggs. The rosy reds in the tub seemed to have done ok with the invasion. The toads have not laid in the main pond or the small stream ponds. Frogs have laid a bunch in the stream ponds.

    I didn't know you could get a toad overload, will keep an eye out for too many eggs strings.
     
    addy1, May 14, 2012
    #11
  12. pondlover

    Telkwa

    Joined:
    Jun 20, 2010
    Messages:
    184
    Likes Received:
    9
    Location:
    Western Washington
    The second pic sure looks like a coupla toads makin' whoopie. I'm not an egg expert so can't say about the first pic. In Western Washington we don't see many toads, if any. Just frogs (redleg and Pacific tree), newts, and a few salamanders (Northwestern, ensatina, long-toed, and redback the most common in our rural setting). We have a small wild pond down the hill from the goldfish pond. The Pacific tree frogs make a racket each spring. I was sitting by the wild pond this afternoon and saw a couple of juvenile salamanders (or maybe neotenes) with the big gills around their necks come to the surface.
     
    Telkwa, May 15, 2012
    #12
    j.w likes this.
  13. pondlover

    HSJami

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2011
    Messages:
    28
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Palm Springs, CA
    They definitely are not fish eggs. Toad eggs are in long strings of jelly like substance. Frog eggs are in globs of jelly like substance, so judging from the appearance I'd say they are frog eggs.
     
    HSJami, May 19, 2012
    #13
  14. pondlover

    MerryMary

    Joined:
    May 5, 2014
    Messages:
    5
    Likes Received:
    4
    Location:
    Florida
    I'll try to link the other thread here, regarding toads. A few breeding from time to time in your pond usually pose no problem. More than that will create a toxic water enviroment. Toads, unlike frogs, have a toxicity on their skin. Fish will eat frog eggs and frog tadpoles, but will not eat toad eggs and toadpoles. They breed differently. Frogs jump in the pond, do their business, and leave. Their eggs float on the surface in a gelatanous mass. Toads "stew" in the water for hours, connected to each other, constantly releasing clouds of sperm, tinkle, and their skin toxins. It's not actually the strings of eggs, but everything else they dumped into the water trying to fertilize those strings. By the next day, the water becomes haxardous to your fish. If you see a large amout of toads in your pond in the morning, do a partial water change after relocating the toads. After a day or so, do another partial water change. I learned about toads the hard way, and lost a whole pond full of 24-30 inch koi. Frogs never a problem, but after all these years, only one night of more toads than I've ever seen (and I always have some) completely did me in. I talked to every koi expert out there, so thought I'd share what I found out with you all!
     
    MerryMary, May 14, 2014
    #14
  15. pondlover

    Mmathis TurtleMommy

    Joined:
    Apr 28, 2011
    Messages:
    8,030
    Likes Received:
    4,359
    Location:
    NW Louisiana -- zone 8b
    My guess is frog.....or aliens.
     
    Mmathis, May 14, 2014
    #15
  16. pondlover

    Tula

    Joined:
    Sep 14, 2013
    Messages:
    3,012
    Likes Received:
    2,068
    Location:
    Cincinnati, Ohio
    Interesting, always learning something new here:)
     
    Tula, May 14, 2014
    #16
  17. pondlover

    Ultra green thumb

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2017
    Messages:
    1
    Likes Received:
    0
    image.jpg Hi I'm Noah Koster! I have a problem. Today, I was walking around the pond out back and it was a beautiful day, but then I found... This! what is this from!?!
     
    Ultra green thumb, Mar 18, 2017
    #17
  18. pondlover

    Faebinder

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2015
    Messages:
    963
    Likes Received:
    534
    Location:
    Hershey, PA

    Your pond seems to be covered a lot by the lilies... could it be it has very little surface area to vent an ammonia spike? Do you have an aerator?
     
    Faebinder, Mar 19, 2017
    #18
  19. pondlover

    carolinaguy

    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2010
    Messages:
    181
    Likes Received:
    44
    Location:
    South carolina
    Ant time our koi spawn, there are a gazillion eggs and they sink to the bottom.
     
    carolinaguy, Mar 19, 2017
    #19
  20. pondlover

    adavisus

    Joined:
    Apr 22, 2011
    Messages:
    1,157
    Likes Received:
    680
    Location:
    carolinas
    In shallow water, koi eggs will hatch, in deep water more likely to die off, decompose and spoil water quality, trigger fungus problems

    Not all toads are created equal, cane and spadefoot toads might be a tad more poisonous than others, it might be useful to photograph, take a record of them to identify
     
    Last edited: Mar 20, 2017
    adavisus, Mar 20, 2017
    #20
    1. Advertisements

Want to reply to this thread or ask your own question?

You'll need to choose a username for the site, which only take a couple of moments (here). After that, you can post your question and our members will help you out.
Similar Threads
  1. kthirtya

    frog eggs adoption

    kthirtya, Apr 9, 2007, in forum: Pond Archive
    Replies:
    1
    Views:
    741
    kthirtya
    Apr 9, 2007
  2. Mmathis

    HAVE FROG, BUT ARE THESE FROG OR TOAD EGGS?

    Mmathis, Jul 13, 2012, in forum: Garden Pond Talk
    Replies:
    6
    Views:
    1,268
    brandonsdad02
    Jul 24, 2012
  3. JoaniePA

    A frog, a frog, a frog, a frog!

    JoaniePA, Oct 20, 2012, in forum: Garden Pond Talk
    Replies:
    16
    Views:
    1,451
    addy1
    Oct 22, 2012
  4. GreatDanesDad

    BRAND NEW POND/EGGS EGGS EGGS

    GreatDanesDad, May 12, 2013, in forum: Garden Pond Talk
    Replies:
    6
    Views:
    1,213
    GreatDanesDad
    May 13, 2013
  5. Mmathis

    A FROG/TOAD STORY

    Mmathis, May 24, 2013, in forum: General Chat
    Replies:
    1
    Views:
    377
  6. pamann

    Can Toad eggs cause Koi death?

    pamann, Jun 9, 2013, in forum: Garden Pond Talk
    Replies:
    17
    Views:
    3,708
    Smaug
    Jan 21, 2016
  7. TgM

    Frog eggs or fish eggs

    TgM, Jul 6, 2014, in forum: Garden Pond Talk
    Replies:
    4
    Views:
    760
    addy1
    Jul 7, 2014
  8. Priscilla

    Frog Eggs

    Priscilla, Aug 3, 2014, in forum: Garden Pond Talk
    Replies:
    6
    Views:
    393
    Priscilla
    Aug 5, 2014
Loading...