George Zimmerman Trial

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    waynefrcan 15 years ponding and hopefully 15 more!

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    Who’s keeping up with this trial? I think his story is more believable then what the prosecutors seem to think happened.

    This is the first time that I think a defendant is wrongly charged in a high profile case.
     
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    The prosecution is grasping at straws now. They wanted to be allowed to make a choice of convicting the guy of child abuse! I believe the defense team and Zimmerman are telling the truth. Still I must say I am sorry the whole thing happened as I'm sure everyone is. Then I want to say our justice system is horrible. It is sad when an innocent person rather than plead not guilty chooses to plead guilty cuz they will get far less of a penalty then if they go to trial and are found guilty. The public defenders nowadays tell their clients to accept the plea deals even if they are innocent. They say it is just easier and safer. Sick, sick, sick!
     
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    crsublette coyotes call me Charles

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    Yeah, trying to add the child abuse charge just threw me. Ugh...

    It is like the witness testimonials mean nothing. I am not suprise by the trumped up charges and all of the dishonesty on talk radio shows and how flat out lies are determining this case.

    The mob, crtrics, media, political correctness, executives in the judiciary branch of goverment, the naive comment made by the POTUS, and politics are what determines these court cases rather than the actual merits of the case. The rule of "prove beyond a reasonable doubt" no longer applies anymore in our justice system. Police chief getting fired for doing his job, having integrity, following the letter of law, that firing was influenced by "some executive" in the judiciary branch. Grrr.

    To many folk want to live in the 1930s, 40s, 50s rather than the 21st century.

    Lady justice was definitely not blind folded for this case and I suspect this is just how high profile cases end up nowadays and it is seen time and time again.

    I gaurantee you it is going to be appealed due to all of the shennanigans done just by the judge, who is definitely trying to make a name for her self out of this.

    I gaurantee you this has already influenced...don't see how it would not... big ramifications on reducing the effectiveness of neighberhood watch groups that try to keep the place safe in very rough neighberhoods, irregardless of any merit. It is just how it is.

    Rather than thinking of what is "right", now, we second guess what we do due to how folk are allowed to be so lawsuit happy.
     
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    waynefrcan 15 years ponding and hopefully 15 more!

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    J.W., grasping at straws is correct. Just finished watching the States closing arguments. I can't believe some of the crap that came out of his mouth. Talk about making a 100 mountains out of a few small mole hills. Just sick to watch. He didn't even mention the screaming on the 911 call, one of the most important aspects. Why not, because he can't, It's zimmerman screaming for his life.

    There is so much reasonable doubt, they need to just let this guy walk. THe State can't prove their version.

    I believe that no civilian should be able to carry a concealed firearm. Sure without it Zimmerman might have taken a worse beating and died. But more likely then not he would have lived and the punk would be in lockup for assault.
     
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    crsublette coyotes call me Charles

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    yep, exactly, I bet ya Zimmerman would have left that concrete, quite likely permanently damaged for rest of his life, in an ambulance and while the cops likely would have never caught Trayvon to be convicted of the aggravated assault due to all of the political nonesense.

    I truely doubt Trayvon would have been convicted for the aggravated assault if this case "now as it is" giving many indications of the outcome if it were just aggravated assault. It would come down that, Zimmerman deserved the aggravated assault for doing is duty and being an over zealous neighborhood watch fella, that is following and watching Trayvon to make sure he was not up to no good, and Zimmerman covertly being some supposed racist thus indicating he deserved the aggravated assault.

    These exactly are the reasons why folk need something to defend them self, be it a gun, knife, or high powered tazer. Then, with how things go nowadays, Trayvon probably would have died from being hit by the tazer due to a weak heart or something and still the court case would go as it is now.


    So, essentially, the moral of this story. If you see something very wrong, then do not even attempt to investigate nor ever intervene, just sit on your hands, call the cops, and do nothing irregardless of what is happening due to the fact you will likely get blamed for taking action such as simply following a kid to make sure he is not up to no good.
     
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    waynefrcan 15 years ponding and hopefully 15 more!

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    That's pretty much what all the witnesses did, hide. Just let the poor guy screaming for his life die. Not even one person came out and helped stop it or stay and view the fight to the end so we would know exactly who was screaming and who was saying what and how the gun came into play.

    So in actuality with everyone scared that this guy or that guy can have a gun, it's better to stay in and hide. Over here we don't have to fear about the millions of concealed firearms. We can come out and view the disturbance and not fear for our lives, and put the proper creeps in jail with better witness evidence.
     
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    crsublette coyotes call me Charles

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    Yep. Folk are too scared getting involved nowadays, for whatever reason how they justify their cowardice. With court cases like this, I am not surprised folk would not get involved.

    Heck, I'm more of a rebel so I would have gotten out of my house and actually taken action rather than being one of those who do nothing except watching the victim in progress of getting severely brutalized. I don't understand how folk can simply be at peace for being an observer and never take action to make sure the guy does not have life altering damage on him. I would have tackled the hell out of that guy, and practice my steer wrestling skills on him to pin him down till the cops got back. Then, I bet ya I would have been charged as well for assaulting the kid.
     
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    crsublette coyotes call me Charles

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    This reminds me of that public murder of a soldier in UK (i think?) and there were hundreds of folk standing around. I think only one person "willy nilly" interevened, but failed miserably. Why? Because the dude had a knife. Rather than a group of rugby players nuetralizing the fella to save the soldier's life, to stop the guy from decapitating him. Folk chose to be bystanders or witnesses of the situation. Heck, as being a concealed gun carry guy, I would have shot the fella on the spot the moment intentions of the murdurer was quite evident. Heck, the soldier would have survived the knife wounds if someone could have just neutralized the fanatic before he decapitated the soldier.
     
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    waynefrcan 15 years ponding and hopefully 15 more!

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    Sure Charles, aren't you like 70 :cheerful:

    The UK killing, they had a knife and a gun. No thanks, no dead hero here. They weren't attacking anyone else either. Nothing anyone could do. Your gun shot would have went through the creep and ricochet off something and killed some young kid in a stroller. So there’s that to live with for life. I know it would go through as I know you wouldn't pack a tiny .38, but a 9mm or magnum!
     
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    crsublette coyotes call me Charles

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    There are videos of the UK killer. He didn't have a gun. The killer actually approached bystanders, as if they were buddies, wanting them to film him. All he had was a butcher blade and a 6 inch knife.

    I would have walked up couple feet behind the dude and put a couple in a leg. The guy was much more distracted with his demonstration so I bet he would even notice someone walking up. Trust me, he would have gone down instantly.

    Sure, things could always go wrong with guns, just as with anything. The purpose of training is so it is instinct. If your type of a fella that allows nerves controll ya, then things will go wrong.

    If you're betting on things going wrong and lack confidence, then be best to set back and do nothing since I would imagine ya actually would hurt your self or others in trying to intervene.
     
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    One of them had a gun, this is confirmed.
     
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    crsublette coyotes call me Charles

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    Welp, so much for a gun free zone then. ;)

    Then obviously it would be approached differently.

    Still, does not change my points. This idea of "everyone has a gun" so I am doing nothing... Yeah, glad I don't think that way walking around scared all the time.
     
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    waynefrcan 15 years ponding and hopefully 15 more!

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    I must tell you the closest I have gotten into a similar fray was when the wife and I were onsite owners & managers of a small apartment block. One night 12-1 AM we woke up to yelling outside. I looked through the blinds and saw 2-3 guys running near the building and also a tenant right across the hall in the building running into his suite. This was over maybe 1 min or 2. What did I do? Nothing I hid and kept quite. Next day the tenant asked, did you hear anything? Not much. He said I could have used some help as 3 guys were chasing him as he kicked them out of a booze free social club they ran. THey had knifes and baseball bats and he took one hit to the head. Now it was not the greatest part of the city and to enter that mess would have been suicide.
     
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    crsublette coyotes call me Charles

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    Yep, true. Ya gotta have common sense especially when the odds are against ya.

    I lived for 7 years in Dallas. Heck, if I were to drive my car during midnight in certain areas, cops would pull me over. Got a few experiences to share myself. Ya just gotta use common sense about these things and listen to your gut.

    Ugh, I gotta stop watching all this television coverage. Drives me crazy.
     
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    I really dont believe Zimmerman was out looking to hurt anyone, and it really makes me sick the way it has been turned into a racial hate crime before the facts were even looked at. I see Obama's actions and comments as nothing more than trying to incite more division between us all.

    I also find it sad Charles that you need to use the word rebel to define yourself as someone who would do the right thing if someone was in need. Everyone of us should be willing to help if and when we can. Certainly there are more times we can aid another to SAFELY defuse a bad situation until OTHER help (ie the police) can arrive, if they are even still needed..

    In the current case, something as simple as YELLING from inside a home something like HEY, what's going on ... or the police have been called, could have potentially minimized the events of that night, or brought it to an end without injuries beyond a physical squabble.
     
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    And if Zimmerman is found innocent all Hell will break loose as this is going to be a big racial incident. Wondering if he is found guilty who will stand up and cry "OUTRAGEOUS" for him? Politically correct, politically correct..............sick of hearing this! The division of who can call who what and get away w/ it because one group was hurt by it many yrs ago. Bad that it ever happened and bad that it is still going on but I think this politically correct stuff is just making the division deeper as one side is being allowed to be called every name in the book and no charges are ever filed. It's always racial on one side and never allowed on the other! Name calling is bad but why is one side told to just look away and the other side presses charges? How is that going to help anything. Either both sides (don't like to have to say sides as it should be all of us working together as one people) are allowed equal justice or none at all! Discrimination is at work all around us not just for one type of race.
     
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    Very well stated JW. I believe Zimmerman will be either found innocent or guilty of involuntary manslaughter. With either outcome I fear all hell will break loose in Sanford and South Florida. (added) I hope he is found innocent yet there are no true winners in this tragic event.
     
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    crsublette coyotes call me Charles

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    Yeah, as working in agriculture, I experience quite a bit of this racism and discrimination against folk. If ya don't believe me, then just work in a crop rogueing crew for a few seasons and you will experience all of the nonesense that occurs simply between the workers. There are some small hispanic towns around me and I would definitely not go to some local pubs for that exact reason, which is fine since I never would go there. My dad and I enjoy just doing road trips through the states near us. New Mexico is a wonderful place, but there were some small towns of around 100 people or so, almost like villages, that had signs posted at the entrance of the town stating, "caucasion, non-indians do not enter", regardless if we needed gas or anything like that.

    I bet ya, due to how this court case and critics have gotten so stirred by the media race baiters, if I actually got to the situation, tried to talk the kid off the fella, telling him the cops were coming, and then, if he would not stop, I would eventually pull my pistol, not to shoot or shoot one into the grass, just to scare the kid or, if I didn't have my pistol, then tackle him to pin him down until cops got there. Sure, I would expect a firearm discharge citation, but I bet there would also be aggravated assault charges or unnecessary force charges, but I bet ya there would be an added hate crime charge against me added on to that charge irregardless of the situation of trying to save both of their lives.

    Just this morning, I was watching the news of folk in a subway. There was a fella in his wheelchair that ran off the deck onto the tracks. Plenty of folk saw it happened and just stood there. Only one fella, an army fella, instantly, almost instinctively reacting, came down to quickly get him out. Once the army fella went, finally others came to help.

    Too many folk stand back, nervous, waiting for others to initiate the action before getting involved. Too few good folk out around about nowadays simply due to being scared of the potential retaliation against them.

    If someone properly intervened with some common sense, then I bet ya that kid would still be alive.
     
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    Nobody wants to get involved in anything nowadays. Lots just ignore stuff going on in their own neighborhoods. They would rather just put up w/ the rif raf and trouble makers and let someone else deal w/ it all when it comes to a great big head. They will complain all day long about something and when you suggest to them lets do something about it.................then they just all disappear and crawl back into the woodwork. I found this out myself as I tried to let a neighbor know about how his teenager was acting in our area here. I won't go into all the nasty details but it was a problem that needed attention before someone got hurt. I decided to take it upon myself to start the ball rolling w/ this kid. Nobody came to help me w/ any of it. The kid then turned his attention on me and harassed me for over 2 years. His father turned the hose on me one day. I called the cops. Cops told kid to knock off coming over to our private road and harassing me. They told father he could be charged w/ assault on me but I chose not to press charges as still trying to keep the peace and work things out. Kid kept on w/ his threats and harassment. One final day last month he came flying out of his driveway on his motorbike w/ a friend on the back and zoomed up to me and said keep away from our roads(which he does not own) and said if I did not leave he would shoot me. He did not have a gun and zoomed away back towards his home. He then came back w/ what I thought was a rifle or a shotgun.............don't know my guns very well. He still had the friend on the back and he then told me again to leave or he would shoot me. I left fast and ran to a neighbors house where I called the police. Lots of cop cars came and tracked him down finally and he still had the gun and the kid on the back w/ him. The kid on the back backed up my statements and they took the other one off to jail. I pressed charges. This kid is only 14 yrs old. What is he going to be like when he is older if someone doesn't stop him now. I now have a restraining order against the kid and his dad. The judge asked me if I wanted the dad on there and I did not know I could so I said yes. The dad wants his name off of it now and another court date is set for next week. The dad seems to encourage the kid to harass me it seems. He does not set a good example as a father. I don't hold much faith in a restraining order so this may just continue on and on. I asked neighbors if they wanted to write any experiences that they had had w/ the kid to the judge. Guess what...................I got no letters from any of them.
     
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    crsublette coyotes call me Charles

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    Ya did good for not just jumping on the father as the cops suggested; too many folk are too quick to react like that.

    Now, in regards to the kids, due to what the kids did, the father definitely should be held partly responsible in this involvement for not calming the situation and it being his kid. Too many parents scate away when they should not abe allowed to.

    I would have done exactly the same as you JW and a shame on those neighbors for being cowards.
     
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