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    I know I’ve talked about it in the what you doing today thread, but figure there might be some who are more aquarium oriented than pond, so I’m adding a thread here.
    I’m raising a late batch of fry in the aquarium over winter. On well water so tap water is same water as I fill the pond/ pool. I’ve got 12 babies in what I’m guessing is a 40 gal tank, with a frog. The frog was thriving in my outdoor aquarium where I kept aquatic plants I didn’t want the fish eating all of, so when I dumped it, it was too cold to just kick out, so it came in. Not sure what kind of frog, but he’s / it’s been in over a week and isn’t messing with the fish. My old in tank filter thing doesn’t have an outlet, so I’ll be making a water bottle/ airline filter thing. YouTube had some great designs! And I’ll be taking a few cuttings of pothos to pull waste from the water, as well as some spider plants.
    Has anyone else raised a batch of fry like this? I figure I’ll kick them over to the pond come spring, and use it as a quarantine or raise another batch of fry.
    I just moved the fry from a 10 gal to the 40 gal last night, and the fry seem to like to hide. I guess it’s a bit of a shock to have so much space.
     
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    The set up for now, hiding fish, and the frog. I’ll have to go to the store for the plastic scrubbies as the biological part of the filter I’m making. At least it won’t drive hubby nots with the waterfall!
     

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    Jamie; don't forget you NEED some land for your frog. Yours isn't an aquatic-only type. Make an embankment and add soil, some plants, a hiding place, etc. What I did was to use a piece of acrylic and place it on a brick, so the majority of the land is over the water, allowing some access to the water for the frog. Again, create the land.

    That's what fry do as that's their survival instinct kicking in. As they learn they're the top of the new food chain, they'll respond to your presence, esp at feeding time. Fish can be trained too, maybe more so than some humans...
     
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    I’ve got rocks in there for him, and will add my turtle ledge thing.
     
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    My shy frog seems to prefer the shallow stack of rocks hidden in the plants. He’s not gone to the turtle ledge.
     
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    They hide when they can; you know, easier to catch bugs when they can't see you...

    Do provide a good amount of 'hiding/dirt/land' as I seldom saw my indoor frogs in the water. Plus, you're going to NOT want the crickets to drown and foul your water, which they will. Give both ample room and your frog-arium will be more maintenance free.
     
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    It’s in my fish tank where I’m raising my goldfish fry. I could put it in the small tank, but there’s no space to set that up, and the cats have turned that tank into a play spot.
     
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    Hmm, not sure I'd have the frog in with fry as they'd be more susceptible to being a frog-snack, esp if the crickets are gone and he gets hungry. Any way to set up a separate terrarium (with cover) with a small basin of water, just for the frog? If you have another aquarium, you could but it on top of the fry one, leaving access for feeding. You don't need much water for the frog, and if you create an inch/2 inch base of land for the frog, he'd be fine with some hiding spaces. I put pennywort in mine and some grew in the water half while others rooted in the frog soil.
     
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    He’s not messed with the fry. Just hides. I don’t have any covers for the tanks, and am not big on a cover for them anyways. Better gas exchange with out from what I’ve gathered. So on the off chance a cat does get up there, I wouldn’t want to risk it getting knocked over.
     
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    No space for another tank right now. I’ve got plants squeezed in tight to fit them up where the cats can’t get them. And then in the living room, there’s no space except maybe on the mantle to put a tank, and as we use the fireplace, that might not be a good location.
     

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    View attachment 107322 View attachment 107323 No space for another tank right now. I’ve got plants squeezed in tight to fit them up where the cats can’t get them. And then in the living room, there’s no space except maybe on the mantle to put a tank, and as we use the fireplace, that might not be a good location.
     

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    I’m still hopeful we will get a few warm days so I can kick it back out. But till then, this is how it’s set up.
    If I could get rid of the monstru plant, I’d be able to fit the little tank. I posted it on my local buy sell page on FB, but no takers.
     

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    I was thinking 'window screen' as cover...might even do hardware cloth as it would even keep the cats out should they make the attempt to jump up there.
     
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    looks like you might have a pickerel (or leopard) frog, and a female at that. If you're handy, you can create a plexiglass shelf and glue (or lift it up with a brick, etc) it in the corner for the frog, then add some soil and plants for her. It would keep open an area for the frog to jump back into the water when scared and you'd still be able to feed your fish. I did something similar, making my 'shelf' self contained so any water applied there (for the plants) didn't necessarily take all the soil over the edge and into the aquarium proper. Just an idea.

    You'll note if you search, pickerel and leopard frogs are more 'field frogs' that stay near water. Mine are all green frogs and that's still what they do, unless I scare them accidentally while grooming plants. Yours may eventually come out to sit on the turtle platform, esp if she gets used to your presence. Below, some pics of the odd places I find my frogs...

    170621 - Kermit, Jenny + Jasper + Julia, frog on goose, log 75.jpg 170621 - Kermit, Jenny + Jasper + Julia, frog on goose, log 62.jpg 170621 - Kermit, Jenny + Jasper + Julia, frog on goose, log 37.jpg 170621 - Kermit, Jenny + Jasper + Julia, frog on goose, log 20.jpg 170621 - Kermit, Jenny + Jasper + Julia, frog on goose, log 14.jpg 170805 - fish eye view of pond, Jenny, Jasper, Julia, frogs, Snickers on desk 6.jpg
     
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    You’ve got a very pretty set up! I’d like to get it not so scared. Was just talking with my sister , her little pond is in ground, so if it warms up, I might send it over there so it can pick it’s spot. I need to go check my well seep to see if it filled with water, if it did, I could put it there.
    The pups were mucking it up pretty bad, so it was a thick layer of gunk with water on top in about a 3’ diameter. I dug a hole and put some channels in to try and get all the water to fill the hole. That’ll be a good spot for aquatic plants to grow, like duckweed.
     
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    Thank you; it's a great source of both peace and photo ops!

    I'd be careful now that the cold weather HAS set in. I think the frog would need more than a day to acclimate, but you can google to double check how much of a hazard that process might have become. I'd take a thermometer and check the actual water temp of your sister's pond. In ground means water at the bottom is warmer alright (which is where the frog would hibernate) but there's usually a transition period. Might be safer now to keep her indoors, but please do the terrarium/soil thing. I think your aq size is okay but need the actual land area. Esp if you're going to feed crickets. JMO.


    some pickerel frog links;

    http://wildlifeofct.com/pickerel frog.html
    http://www.fishpondinfo.com/frogs/frogwinter.htm
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pickerel_frog
     
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    I did look up the frogs. She looks more like the southern leopard frog, but the page said they are all south of here, and the pickerel is all suppose to be east of here. But then again, we had a weasel get all our ducks, and they weren’t supposed to be here either. So...
    I’ll go get some dirt for her tomorrow, and fill a coffee can half full, trim the sides down, and see if I can find a board to half cover the big aquarium. Add in a few plant pots with a few plants that like wet roots, some water. I won’t have any filtration for that aquarium, I don’t have a second working filter, and no outlet available.
     
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    you shouldn't need a filter; I know I didn't; that's what the plants are for. You have fish in your water but mine was shallow and had pennywort in it. Even if crickets did drown, eventually the plants took care of any problem. In your case, it might be an issue, so keep a lookout for floaters (drowned crickets). If you have plants across some of the surface, the crickets will use them to escape, usually, so it's not dire if they do fall in. Instead of the floating turtle shelf (or you could just turn it into a soil shelf with some ingenuity), I'd have a platform for the dirt and some plantings.

    I do like the look of your frog; when I released my two smaller leopards in the middle of the next summer, they must have found a way to escape (still had slight creases in my screened in pondhouse; fixed that finally this last summer) and I never saw them again. Then, I only had one green frog (very large), so the two would not have overpopulated my pond, but now I have 7 greens and worry if I were to add leopards again, there wouldn't be enough bugs for them all. Once June gets here, I put the screen top back over and no bugs really can get in/out, though I suppose there's smaller entrances they can find but the frogs and turtles and snakes can't. It was when I saw three garter snakes actually INSIDE this past summer that I got serious about closing down anything smaller than a quarter inch. Wasn't worried about the fish but I didn't want to lose any of the frogs, either. Funny the lengths we'll go to for our pets, isn't it??

    I know where I can find more leopards and I gotta admit, since seeing yours, makes me wish I had one like that at my pond, too. Soooooo, you may have passed on your koi addiction in the form of frogs, to me! Heh, wonder if I bought about a hundred or so crickets and let them loose, if they'd naturalize and breed, enough so I could GET another frog..or two!
     
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    Crickets are easy, buy a bunch, put a space for them with sandy soil so they can breed. Feed them some oranges every once in a while. I found that out when we had a lizard back when I was a kid. We started out with wild caught crickets, and put them in a tote with air holes, put 2-3 inches of sand on bottom, a water fish, some random greens and such, bits of fruit on occasion, but they loved oranges. I forget where I read that oranges are a perfect meal for them. I told hubby I needed to make a lid for the small tank, and a board to put it on, he accused me of just wanting to keep the frog. I’m not going to keep it, it’s a big eater, I need it wild to do it’s job! But yeah, over winter, I think I’ll keep it. I’ll be setting up the little aquarium tomorrow, and he’s going to make me a lid. Then it may get moved to the coolest room in the house, to keep her metabolism low.
     
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    Sitting here, trying to recall where I learned about crickets. Thinking over all the pets we had. Birds, cats, dogs, fish, pot belly pigs for a shirt bit, lizards, tarantulas, my brother got a snake after I was moved out, but I baby sat it for a few months. We used to hand feed wild skunks, and Mom used to take us to the dump in Minnesota to watch the Bears. I had a turtle, till he escaped to chase after a wild female we saved. She was big! I’m thinking I may have learned about crickets for the tarantulas. And I never did get a horse like all little girls dream of! But my sister has goats.
     
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