Help my koi are dying

[heartrnb]

Brenda would you like to be able too be self sufficient in taking scrapes etc? if your answer is yes then your going to need a nice microscope, slides and fixers we own a Bresser NG x 40 - x 1024
Microscopes are easy to come by on Amazon Turtle Mommy now does her own and is now able to anethatize her fish thanx to threads weve posted and is very keen to learn more.
Weve done thread on the forum of how to take a scrape , once learned its very easy to do.
Question Brenda Is the Purple as a result of the treatment used in the pond ?
With only 10% of water in the pond when you fill it again it will most probably have to go through a cyle which will be rough on the fish perhaps add only one or two of the strongest to get things running again.
Question these purple patches dried onto the sides of the pond is what you have been using Potasium Permanganate under a different name , it comes in a purple crystal ?


Dave

Nothing has been put in the pond that has K+ in it nothing that is purple I have ordered a microscope its not here yet. I know that I have to cycle again when I fill it but I don't know how much cleaning I need to do to it first until I know what that purple stuff is. I am worried that maybe somebody put something in my pond just not sure. I am going to add the fish that look good back in the pond a few at a time until it gets going. I have never treated pond with purple stuff. I will get all the names of stuff that I have put in when I get back I need to take my mom to doctor.

 

[Dave 54]

Brenda your a Marine fish keeper you do get purple algae in marine tanks I wonder if somehow you have transfered some from your Marine tanks and into he pond where its turned toxic a very long shot I know but ???

Dave

 

[heartrnb]

Brenda your a Marine fish keeper you do get purple algae in marine tanks I wonder if somehow you have transfered some from your Marine tanks and into he pond where its turned toxic a very long shot I know but ???

Dave

I have no fish in the house anymore. I have not had any fish in over 4 years until my Koi

 

[Dave 54]

Looking into algae a bit more this is what I've come up with and it can produce toxins harmful to fish :-

http://www.boonecountyky.org/bccd/PondScum/PondScumFieldGuide.pdf


It fits but its a long shot I know, it was when I was reading page 5 and onwards that toxic algae comes up which is a fish killer

Dave

 

[heartrnb]

Looking into algae a bit more this is what I've come up with and it can produce toxins harmful to fish :-

http://www.boonecountyky.org/bccd/PondScum/PondScumFieldGuide.pdf


It fits but its a long shot I know, it was when I was reading page 5 and onwards that toxic algae comes up which is a fish killer

Dave

water was clear with nothing floating on top except for plants. I did read them pages but will read more when I get back.

 

[Dave 54]

Look again at the staining Brenda see in the right hand corner how the staining goes to green , I really have a feeling that this purple staining must be somthingto do with algae .
Going back to the photo of your koi we see fin rot in the tail which would be indicative of Columnaris disease (Fin rot Gll rot Mouth Rot/Cotton wooland Skin columnaris) all come under ths headiing , I think the purple straining may be throwing us all off here , what do you think ?
I'm going to have a chat with our own clubs Koi Health official about the possible cause of the purple staining and then get back to you if thats ok ?



Dave

 

[heartrnb]

Look again at the staining Brenda see in the right hand corner how the staining goes to green , I really have a feeling that this purple staining must be somthingto do with algae .
Going back to the photo of your koi we see fin rot in the tail which would be indicative of Columnaris disease (Fin rot Gll rot Mouth Rot/Cotton wooland Skin columnaris) all come under ths headiing , I think the purple straining may be throwing us all off here , what do you think ?
I'm going to have a chat with our own clubs Koi Health official about the possible cause of the purple staining and then get back to you if thats ok ?



Dave

Yes I feel that is something different. I seen that today on a fish was am not treating and I am getting the pond going so I can get the ones that look good back in it. And when can I start to treat for that.

 

[heartrnb]

What my problem with that is there is not sigh of cotton mouth. I am wondering if it's not some kind of worm. I had today some white blue long skinny things in the pond. I took what I could get out we will see later what I find. and the gills are pink

 

[Dave 54]

Yes I feel that is something different. I seen that today on a fish was am not treating and I am getting the pond going so I can get the ones that look good back in it. And when can I start to treat for that.

No dont do that brenda you have to treat the koi asa whole because if one gets it later then your back to square one again the discriptionn I gave you is a catch all all lumped togeher under colunaris disease you dont have to have mouth rot or gills rot , you do however have fin rot showing in the tail of the dead koi photo you posted

Dave

 

[Lisaebetten]

I use a Koi guy that has had Koi for over 25 years and selling them making ponds etc. He has never seen this purple stuff before so I need some help here.

Did he know how many fish you had in your pond? Do you use and IonGen? Too much copper?

 

[Dave 54]

Did he know how many fish you had in your pond? Do you use and IonGen? Too much copper?

Lisa I cant answer for Brenda but if he was a hands on Pond guy he must have done

Dave

 

[heartrnb]

No dont do that brenda you have to treat the koi asa whole because if one gets it later then your back to square one again the discriptionn I gave you is a catch all all lumped togeher under colunaris disease you dont have to have mouth rot or gills rot , you do however have fin rot showing in the tail of the dead koi photo you posted

Dave

what's the best medication to use

 

[heartrnb]

Did he know how many fish you had in your pond? Do you use and IonGen? Too much copper?

I do not have copper in my water it has been tested

 

[Lisaebetten]

I do not have copper in my water it has been tested

I think I would get all that purple off and cycle the pond and start over. Can you pond guy store some fish while you re-start?

 

[heartrnb]

I think I would get all that purple off and cycle the pond and start over. Can you pond guy store some fish while you re-start?

I can store them but that is what I am doing and cleaning the bottom really good.