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    herzausstahl herzausstahl

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    Hello everyone. Getting started on building my first pond. Its going to have a small header pool leading into a stream that will be about 30-35' long and empty into a 9' x 12' pond. My site has a gentle slope. I live on the edge of zone 4/zone 5 so I will be making it 3' deep. Thanks to everyone who posts on this site as I have been checking it out for a month or so looking for advice and answers.
    Nathan

    ps...herz aus stahl means "heart of steel" in German and is a musical reference to the band Manowar
     

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    welcome herzausstahl and looks like a nice place for a pond .Hope you show the step by step as you build .You might want to go 4 ft deep on one end of your pond after all the weird winters we have been having .One end of mine is 2 feet deep and then it gradually slopes down to a little over 3 feet now ..It gives them more protection from heat or cold .What kind of fish are you going to have and what kind of pump and filter are you going to have .Also how much sun is the pond going to get .
     
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    fishin4cars True friends just call me Larkin Moderator

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    taherrmann4 Tmann

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    Welcome Heart of steel (I will never remember how to spell it in german). Looks like you have a really nice big plot to put your pond. I would go deeper if you can maybe 4' to be on the safe side, means more digging but a little more diggin now might save you some frustration later on. Much like Addy mine is about 2/3 2' deep with about 1/3 of it 36" deep. You said your creek was 35' long, how deep do you plan on making this? Will you have a waterfall into the creek?
     
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    addy1 water gardener / gold fish and shubunkins Moderator

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    Welcome,
    That looks like the slope I had in arizona, made a real nice stream, it ended up being around 40 feet.

    Bury your pipes deep, that go to the top of the stream, so you don't have to worry about them, we put ours 3 feet into the ground.. I would suggest a little deeper, mine here deepest is 5 feet or so.
     
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    If you have the time insulate the pipes and wrap a wire around them so you can locate them later .I insulated all my pipes and found it is a big relief knowing that things will not chew through them and ran all my electric wires through a pipe also .Moles here chew through everything .
     
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    Your gonna have a nice size pond there :lol:

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    Very nice Intro! Welcome to the Forum!
     
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    Hi Herz... Welcome and good luck with your pond. If you want you can post pics and updates of your pond build on a construction thread and people will be happy to give you their two cents!
     
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    make that a dime inflation you know LOL
     
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    herzausstahl herzausstahl

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    Thanks everyone...I am looking at at least 3' deep across the bottom of the pond with it sloping downward a few inches towards the fence. I am going back and forth on whether or not to have Koi or goldfish (Shebunkin appeal to me) or probably will end up with a mix of both. This year I will only be building it, then adding fish in spring. I was looking at making a Doc Bio Filter and hiding it by the fence. On the fence side I plan on making a small decking that will partially overhang the pond to create some shade since it is in full sun. I won't have a skimmer or bottom drain since I have no mature trees around it, and the drain because I don't want to cut the liner (can retrofit one later if need be). Found a 5000 gph Total Pond pump on ebay that will power the stream and was going to find a smaller pump to run to the filter (one that can handle solids). The stream will begin with a small header pool that will run over a stepped falls (to help avoid water loss from a tall falls). The stream I was going to take Addie's advice from other threads and make it at least 10" deep, probably closer to 12" and 2' to 2 1/2' wide. It should be around 30' or so long coming down the slope. I was going to use 2" Flex PVC so I don't have to worry about burying the pipes below the frost line (I am in all clay and don't want to have to do a 3' pipe trench). Does anyone have any experience with Flex PVC? They advertised that it can freeze solid without breaking, which not sure I believed, but the water drains down to pond water in the pipe when turned off correct? The whole pipe run with the exception of the top portion that would go into the header pool would be run at an up elevation so everything should drain down. I should have extra so if it froze at the pond level and busted I could replace that portion and couple it together and then remove the ends in winter. Does anyone leave their pumps at the bottom of their pond through cold weather? Sorry for the long reply, will repost this in the newbie pond section.
     
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    koiguy1969 GIGGETY-GIGGETY!!

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    Your best bet is to insulate the pipes no matter what .I live in VA and I insulated all mine and after the last 2 winters I'm glad I did .I also took pics to remember where everything is and I wrapped wire around it just in case I would need a metal detector to find them later
     
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    I didn't insulate mine or bury them 3 deep to keep from freezing, but what I did do is they all are designed to drain either back to the pond and on one line I have a ball valve at the low point to drain it, because it goes down hill then up about 2'. Have done this for6 years no problems. You just have to make sure you are confident that you got all the water out.
     
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    If you use an air compressor on low you could blow them out like they do with underground sprinklers
     
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    taherrmann4,
    does your pond ever freeze over, and when it does how do the pipes handle it? I figure with 2 in pipe, if all the water drains into the pond it should leave enough room in the pipe for the rest to freeze/expand without rupturing the pipe, but I wasn't sure about the piping right at the water level in the pond. I would probably bury it about 12" down and expect it to freeze if left full.

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    What did you use to insulate the pipes underground? I like the idea, because our frost line depends on how much snow we get. I figure this year winter will be my test to see how things go before I even try to add fish. The metal isn't a bad idea either. I chose the Flex PVC figuring I would get the strength and ease of PVC without having to worry as much about the pipes bursting. And blowing out the lines like a sprinkler is an idea I had. How does it work for yours going in and out of the pond, or does yours go through the liner underground (via bulkhead of course)? Like all newbs, still trying to avoid cutting the liner so I don't need to worry about future leaks.

    Thanks again for the help everyone.
     
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    My honey wanted ours buried deep for two reasons, I could dig and plant without hitting them, and for freeze, even though with our 30 foot plus drop there is no way any water will stay in those pipes.

    I think he was more worried I would dig through them ............lol
     
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    Ok, that makes sense. I tend to buy the plants in the 1 gallon pots to save $ and let them grow, so anything I plant near the stream where the line would run wouldn't have to be too deep and I could hand dig it with a little spade. That's also why I splurged for the Flex PVC hoping that it would make it easier to bury and more freeze resistant since it could flex with it more than rigid PVC, still not sure if I buy the sellers claim that it can freeze solid and be ok, lol.
     
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    You will probably need to add a bottom drain if you are thinking about Koi because they get large and produce a lot of waste. If you are thinking about shubunkins or comets then it's not as necessary. Also if you are thinking about putting in plants they will be easier to maintain with just goldfish. It looks like it will be very nice.
     
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    Bottom drains are optional. 43 years without one and the bottom is clean with over 200" of Koi in my lower pond.
     
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