How to transport Large koi fish? Please help!

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My husband and I will be collecting 40 or so quite large koi fish about 40cm - 50cm long each for our garden pond. It will take an hour to get home upon collection of them.

My question is will they survive an hour long trip in
8 x 30 litre tubs with the lids on and sealed?

Any help or guidance will be greatly appreciated.
 

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I have only transported goldfish, here you can buy stuff at the pets store that put o2 into the water.

We have good koi people on this site that move their koi for shows , they should chime in when they see this.

And Welcome to our site!

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Hi your in luck we are experts at this having been showing koi at shows since 1990 and are still going strong all be it with help :)
You'll need a number of box's either strong cardboard or Polystreene, buy large industrial strength plastic bags large strong elastic bands and some black bin liners.
Placing one large plastic bag inside the other you then part fill the bag to just enough to cover your koi.
Next catch the koi and place it in the bag ( do you have an Oxygen bottle ) if not an air pump or air compressor ?
Grasp the top of the inner bag then pipe air or oxygen until the bag inflate to where your hand is you should have enough at the top to double it over so say 4-6" down.
Next twist the top of the inner bag until you have a balloon and double this over on itself, next tightly twist an elastic bag around the top of the double over bag if done coorrectly no air should be able to escape then do the same with the outer bag ( this outer bag is protection against leaks as koi have been known to puncture the inner bag with the rays of their dorsal fin) , yes they are that powerful.
Next place the blown up bag into a black bin liner this helps calm them down and put everything into your box .
You then place the bags across the axle of the car or van, not forwards as a sharp stop in an emergancy will cause bag burns on the nose of your koi (yes it is possible). :(
Repete the process ith each koi until all are loaded.
With smaller koi up to about 8" you can put more than one into a bag with the larger koi only one per bag.
Driving drive at a steady even pace (do not speed) and take any corners at a slower pace, you and your koi should arrive safely at journeys end.
Then remove the bags black bag and all and float the bags in their new home for around aout half an hour to equalize on pond temperature .
Once this is done lift the bag out f the water take away the black bag, next as gently as you can un tighten the elastic bands from the outer then inner bag and slowly pour them into their bew home :)
If they were new to your pond and you have existing fish you will need to QT them for a month first looking for any signs they may have an infection.
For long journeys of over 70 miles you will need to use oxygen for shorter duration journeys of around 10 miles you can use air :)
If you buy a bottle of stress coat by API put one or two drops in each bag or if you buy Elbagin only a few grains , the water will turn yellow dont worry it has a calming effect on your koi but only a few grains just enough to turn the colour of the water the stress coat, if you choose that option does the same job of calming your fish. :cool:
If at all you see the water turn red dont worry its a sign of stress they bleed from the gills , if they didnt they would probably die,so in this case the koi must be lifted from the bag and put straight into the pond or QT unit with no equalization of the water temperatures ( the koi will be fine) :cool:
In all our years of showing some trips over 170 miles we have not lost one koi , in that time weve had one bleeder who did it going to and from three shows after that we retired her, she is now a pet and is at the moment 27 years old (y)
A final word of warning do not just float them in polystrene boxes or cooler boxs they are then unsupported and at a danger of either dying from a lack of oxygen or wost case senario jumping clear of the boxs.
If at all you are in the event of an accident or break down you will needa backup plan that you can rapidly swing into action
Also plan your route from start to finish factor in breaks traffic and how many hours it will take.
Remember the shortest route is the best ( its best to start in the early morning to avoid traffic)..... :)
I hope all this helps you in your transportation of your fish good luck ,one last thing just how many miles do they have to travel please (just so I can say oxygen or air)

Dave (y)
 
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You've come to the right place! Lots of helpful, smart, experienced people here! I don't happen to be one of them but will say "welcome" anyway!

I'd love to hear more - where are you getting the fish? Are they currently in someone's backyard pond? Is this an exciting rescue mission?
 

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40 large koi, 8 30L tubs, equals 5 fish per tub, or just under 8 USG, probably half-ful, so 4 G per 5 fish = fertilizer for a good-sized garden by the time you get home. PLEASE, DON'T DO IT!!
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Yes i have a decent 1000gallon pond hopefully they will be happy in there... I will buy the 90 litre tubs instead of 30 litres and opt for couple more than 8. Thanks for all your advice!
 
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I think 40 fish at 15" plus inches your pond at 1000 gallons maybe to small. You will need incredible filtration. I do not know your setup but you wipe out your water parameters quickly if you do not. I would suggest

1 koi per 250 gallons with above average filtration
1 per 500 gallons is better

Some will even suggest 1000 gallons per fish which I think is overkill.

My own pond is approx 3500 gallons I have 4 butterfly koi and about 20 goldfish, remember your koi will get even bigger

I suggest take less if you can
 
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Dave54 ad HARO both give good advice. I think you will need more tubs.

On a side note, I hope you have a large pond :)

The logistics of both are extreme and it would take one hell of alott of organising , my friend Max who run;s the UK's only koi and goldfish rescue service employ's my method of moving fish from pond rescues.
However she takes along a number of volunteer's to each rescue willing to help her catch bag up and transport in their own vehicals and has a large holding fasility to QT here fish before they go to more permanent ponds waiting free rehoming to other volunteers.:cool: :);)
There is one final method and that would take professional's from the Aquaculture trade where the fish are nettined man handled to large specialist tanks on the back of a Truck.
The fish are all thrown into one or two tanks and are supported by large airstones throughout their journey :(
They are then netted out and put directly into their new pond (no aclimatizing in shock and often damaged ) which though quick and easy costs money and manpower.
There is a great potential of loosing more than one or two of these fish to later infections and of the stress they went through cramped up in a large tank's "often with high ammonia content from the mass of koi, sometimes bleeding from the gills of stressed out individual's which colours the water red and does nothing for the water chemistry on a paniced journy", sadly which cant be helped (unable to garentee all will survive the move nor the next few days) :(
If Val and I were doing this it would not be our prefaired way of doing it , Iv'e seen a move like this before of wild fish from a fishing pond :(

Dave;)
 
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A 1,000 gallon US pond is less than my own 1,000 gallon Imperial , please I urge you to think again about what your about to do here , just what is your filtration please ??? :(
We have a retro fitted former koi industry QT pond with huge amount of filtration , it was built to take over 100 6" koi through a QT period and hold them for sale or many more smaller sized koi depending on size :LOL: .
This includes a four inch bottom drain 4" slide valve then three 32" vortex style filter units one empty two with a large amount of Jap matting in "a portcullis type build to alow water flow", the first is a Vortex for seperating out the larger detritus. the second has a large sack of zeolite and 5 brushes atop the jap matting, the third a large sack of crushed oystershells atop the jap matting plus quilt batting last but not least a large barrel filter with K1, bio chips and bio balls .:):cool: :)
We run two Airtec 50r airpumps with one supplying the pond through the bottom drain bubbler only the other supplying filters 2&3 with three airstones each with the bio filter bio filter having six atrstones , the in line pump is an Oase 3500 and there is a 36 watt U/V-C we keep around 10 koi of varying sizes and we know we are over stocked but the pond was designed to hold many more than that .;)
There is a saying give the first large koi 1,000 gallons then 100 per koi ( many of us think it a contradiction) on top of all the above we give our koi regular filter maintenance and a 30-40 % water change :)
Our filtration is built to take the load and if 40 large koi could overwhelm our filter in record time, so just think about a smaller filter, because a smaller filter is built to take much less????
I urge you to think again about this, if you have any we'd say no more than 5 koi "and that if your filter isnt man enough for the job is pushing it" !!!!....... our pond and filters are industry aproved by the trade for the job !!!!........... :)
 
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Yes i have a decent 1000gallon pond hopefully they will be happy in there... I will buy the 90 litre tubs instead of 30 litres and opt for couple more than 8. Thanks for all your advice!
If this is for transporting them I urge you to stop and think again on this.
The method of bagging koi for tarnsport is that of which the koi breeders, koi dealers and koi owners choose transport their koi from A to B with no loss of life, in some cases involving flights from Japan to Europe, USA, Canada, UK which they manage very well , "why risk their lives" to transport them in containers that you cannot add air too which will be needed if transported like that" ??? :(
It infact would be worse than the third method but at least you could add air then :(

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Yes i have a decent 1000gallon pond hopefully they will be happy in there... I will buy the 90 litre tubs instead of 30 litres and opt for couple more than 8. Thanks for all your advice!

Please dont take the posts from the last few members as criticizm, including mine. Rather, we are really just trying to help you, and your fish, be successful.

I have a 1600 gallon pond and would not consider more than 10 koi in it. In general, serious koi keepers suggest closer to 300 gallons per koi. Can you tell us about what sort of filtration you have on this pond? What is the gallons per hour of your pump? Are you familiar with the pond "cycle", where bacteria convert poisonous ammonia and nitrite into a less toxic nitrate? You may already know all of these things, I am just asking. But if you do not, I can tell you what will happen... you will put 40 koi into 1000 gallons of uncycled pond, and they will all die of ammonia poisoning within a month. Noone on this forum wants that to happen, and that is why we are all offering advice and help.
 
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Please dont take the posts from the last few members as criticizm, including mine. Rather, we are really just trying to help you, and your fish, be successful.

I have a 1600 gallon pond and would not consider more than 10 koi in it. In general, serious koi keepers suggest closer to 300 gallons per koi. Can you tell us about what sort of filtration you have on this pond? What is the gallons per hour of your pump? Are you familiar with the pond "cycle", where bacteria convert poisonous ammonia and nitrite into a less toxic nitrate? You may already know all of these things, I am just asking. But if you do not, I can tell you what will happen... you will put 40 koi into 1000 gallons of uncycled pond, and they will all die of ammonia poisoning within a month. Noone on this forum wants that to happen, and that is why we are all offering advice and help.
Well said !!!....dieselplower (y) I promise you we mean no critisism we are only trung to help you get this all right on the first try that's all (y) :) :cool: .
If this is your first ever pond it is going to be a very sharp learning curve for you both .
Ronds first need to mature this is why we talk of cycles Ammonia Nitrate levels need to peak these are things that will harm your koi with a possibility of great scarring or death dependant on what happens first :(

Dave.
 

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