Insane water loss from bogs?


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My bog is stuffed with plants I don't see that sort of water loss. Can't even walk through it right now. it is 27 feet x 4.5 feet wide. I can't see your plants sucking out that much water, but you never know.

I needed to fill 2x / day with a host in my old pond. There is zero shade in our sub-tropical environment. It's freaking hot.

Florida's climate is unique.
 
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lol we have a house down there, Hubbies parents house, now ours, down in delray beach area. I have a weather station down there, when we compare the heat humidity etc down there to here, we are a lot of times worse up here..................But other times worse down there.
My ponds are full south sun, never have shade. But micro climates can make a big difference.

Right now per my weather stations, heat index florida 108 heat index MD 104 sucks I want cool!
 

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Lol - I believe you on wanting cool. But microclimates matter - I’m near the hard rock and the Indian reservation - that’s particularly swampy

It’s a shallow sunny pond right off the road - all these things can make a big difference.

thank you so much for your help. Not ruling anything out, including my drained swampland is sucking out moisture
 

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Slathered the pre-filter bucket with marine sealant, I am certain when I reconnect things tomorrow nights there will be no leaks there. If that doesn't solve the problem, I'll turn the bogs off, run a straight return, and verify that water loss is under control, then enable each bog one at a time.

Either shockingly thirsty plants, or a leak will be identified and plugged, and that will be the end of this.

Thank you for your help.
 

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Slathered the pre-filter bucket with marine sealant, I am certain when I reconnect things tomorrow nights there will be no leaks there. If that doesn't solve the problem, I'll turn the bogs off, run a straight return, and verify that water loss is under control, then enable each bog one at a time.

Either shockingly thirsty plants, or a leak will be identified and plugged, and that will be the end of this.

Thank you for your help.
water is less likely to evaporate in a humid environment compared to a non-humid one. And windy dry days are the worst in that regard, so I'm with addy and don't think your plants are doing a number on your water loss. If you've turned your pump off and get no loss, then it's either plumbing or bog. If you stop feeding the bogs and let the water pour into your pond ala a hose and you still get no loss, it's not the plumbing. That leaves only the fittings at/on your bog setup. It might be interesting to put a camera on the area and see if anything unusual happens.

From the pic, is all you have is a pump in the pond with 3 hoses out, one to each urn bog? No other plumbing like drains or skimmers or whatnot? No other filters that are outside the pond? And, what is the approx gallonage of the pond? I have several pots, large ones with waterlilies and pennywort sitting on my patio and we had very hot humid days this summer; I'm only now filling (maybe 1" max) them up like every 5 days maybe more. That much waterloss sure sounds like something is leaking
 

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There are two filtration system.
System 1:
1 Bottom Drain -> Prefilter 1 -> Urn - that is currently running with near zero water loss.

Therefore, I conclude the the Bottom Drain, Prefilter 1, and Urn are NOT problems.

System 2:
Skimmer -> Prefilter 2 -> 3 Bogs
When System 2 is running, there is a LOT of water loss.

A quick test of filling the bucket showed no leakage outside the water. It is now coated with marine sealant at each opening.
There is no visible leakage in the skimmer, bucket, or around the bogs. I did have leaks early on with one of them. I emptied it out, coated it with roof sealant and covered with flashing. It now does not leak.

I am going to test each piece separately.

However, in my old pond, that just had pumps into front fed spitters, I had substantial water loss. Wind, sun, etc., is real. And it's really hot hear.

I also had several times this summer I had to top off my pool a few days a week. This has been a weird summer here.

This is my first time with bogs, the plants, the rock filtration, etc., and it's brand new with plants establishing. That's why I wanted to know from people what is possible with "non leaking" side of the equation.

I know that I can lose an inch or two from evaporation. My concern was it starting to look like 6-10 inches a day. We will see as I address. Tomorrow I will reinsert this system and see if I can narrow it down.
 
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I also had several times this summer I had to top off my pool a few days a week. This has been a weird summer here.
I top off every day. The top off only goes into the big pond. Since all the smaller ponds stay full via the pump from the big pond.

This time of year I usually decrease the amount used, well usually, so far we are still staying in the 90's, with index over 100
 

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I top off every day. The top off only goes into the big pond. Since all the smaller ponds stay full via the pump from the big pond.

This time of year I usually decrease the amount used, well usually, so far we are still staying in the 90's, with index over 100

Do you use a sensor for the top off?

I am adding 2 zones to by drip driven sprinkler system (and upgrading to a Rachio 3 controller that is Homekit enabled). I ran a pipe under the driveway to fill the pond, so it's now going to go right into the filter.

If I have slow water loss of pond water into the ground by the pond, I don't really mind, it'll fertilize the plants nicely once the fish are going.

But I think I needed to add 2 inches/day in my old pond from evaporation/splash, so if the bogs increase that to 4 inches/day, that doesn't bother me at all, I just want to be adding well water.
 

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Do you use a sensor for the top off?
lol Me I am the sensor. I keep a mild eyeball on the pond level. Early summer fill it up maybe 15 minutes a day, as the summer progresses the time is increased. I use a irrigation sensor, just set the time and it fills the pond. We are on well water also.

As fall comes I notice the pond is staying fuller, I decrease the amount of water, ie it is over full.

Winter all shut off, down time from running water.
 

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lol Me I am the sensor. I keep a mild eyeball on the pond level. Early summer fill it up maybe 15 minutes a day, as the summer progresses the time is increased. I use a irrigation sensor, just set the time and it fills the pond. We are on well water also.

As fall comes I notice the pond is staying fuller, I decrease the amount of water, ie it is over full.

Winter all shut off, down time from running water.
Well I'm thrilled to be replacing my Orbit timer that required me to fight off mosquitos to deal with with a new Wifi one. I got Homekit enabled because I'm a Homekit house, but the real focus is on getting things under control.
 

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Mine is right outside my patio door, basement door, stick head out change done. Also has manual feed which I use when raccoons etc cause leak issues. With all the critters we have, frogs, toads, birds etc we don't have mosquitoes that I notice.
 
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Mine is right outside my patio door, basement door, stick head out change done. Also has manual feed which I use when raccoons etc cause leak issues. With all the critters we have, frogs, toads, birds etc we don't have mosquitoes that I notice.
In Florida, things that kill mosquitos really just make them angry. :)
 

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So bucket sealed. When I reconnected, both unions were leaking, had to really tighten them, then they stopped. Plumbed up the fill pipe with a check valve to hook into the soon to be revised sprinkler system.

Skimmer + Bucket seems to hold water. I filled until all the holes were covered in bucket, and used a vinyl tube to connect the "fill port" to the skimmer for my water test. In an hour there was no measurable loss of water. Before there would have been.

So I filled to the near top of the skimmer and running the bog filtration system. We will see if in the morning the water is still there, or at least has dropped an "acceptable" amount from splash, etc.

If this did not solve it, then it's bog by bog testing.

The flow to the urn is unacceptably low, while the water in the pre-filter bucket is full. There is either a problem in the piping or in the pump.
 

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Okay, so came out this morning and urns were still running. Previously sighing 3-4 hours the level dropped and they shut off.

Still decent water loss, but in the range I find to be reasonable with this much splash and plants.

I may still tests the bogs one by one and flash/sealant around the connections on the two bogs that I haven’t done that on, but I am pretty certain that I am not leaking and this is reasonable needed irrigation for the plants.

Going to start adding a few sword plants inside the pond and get some fish!
 
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There are plugs you can buy that can stop the water flow into your pipes plug them . Shut down the pumps air stones etc . Let the water drop. when it stops dropping somewhere along that level is at is your leak or at least one of your leaks.
 

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So overnight, it seemed to hold all the water. (From 8 PM - 7 AM, virtually no drop). During the day, in the heat, it dropped a few inches, and held at a lower level.

My suspicion is that where the gasket closes on the skimmer has a small leak when it's hot (95 degrees plus) as the temperature shifts.

Going to put a small bead of marine sealant around the inside and outside of the gasket, that should solve that.
 
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Went and put sealant everywhere. Determined that the urn low flow is low flow coming out of pipe. Now I have to tell if it's a kink in the 1" flex PVC (doubtful) or the pump (most likely).

Going to swap a different pump in and see if it solves my problem.

Exciting to have the pond working, water flowing, people stopping to admire. I'll let everything settle for a week (maybe get some plants for in the pond) or so and start adding some fish. Want to repot the lillies into larger flat bottom pots, but now I'm gardening and not construction work!
 
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