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I have some fry inside and one of them has these dots. Is this coloring or an issue. Water has been the same for a couple weeks since the cycle was complete. Other than the PH was a tad higher
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So as the spots seem to be symmetrical it would be unusual for it to be an infection. But are the spots really lumps? If they are then it is probably some form of Ich. If the spots grow and extend along the fins then it is probably rot or fungus.

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So as the spots seem to be symmetrical it would be unusual for it to be an infection. But are the spots really lumps? If they are then it is probably some form of Ich. If the spots grow and extend along the fins then it is probably rot or fungus.

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Yes they are moving along the fin line and a spot on another fin. So please tell me what to do for it
 
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take a better photo (closer) and make sure the spot is also slightly raised or not (A small bump). If it is a bump as well as a spot it is probably ich (plenty of medications for that.) If it is not a bump but just a milky spot it is probably a bacterial infection or fungus (plenty of medications for that). Take the better photo and your observation about it being a bump or not to the petshop and they should give you the appropriate meds. I would separate the one you are treating into a separate tank to treat it.
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take a better photo (closer) and make sure the spot is also slightly raised or not (A small bump). If it is a bump as well as a spot it is probably ich (plenty of medications for that.) If it is not a bump but just a milky spot it is probably a bacterial infection or fungus (plenty of medications for that). Take the better photo and your observation about it being a bump or not to the petshop and they should give you the appropriate meds. I would separate the one you are treating into a separate tank to treat it.
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Thank you. I will do that today, but have other issues going on in there also with others. It's a mess last night.
 
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sounds awful. What happened?
Well I had 2 with crooked backs, thought it was a deformity and was going to use clove oil on them. Then a 3rd one that was perfectly normal started getting an arched back and hanging in the plants upside down. A couple others are swollen and one hanging at the top. Little ones have stopped eating. I'm taking about 4 of them to a vet this morning. Now I'm nervous about them having TB.
 
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Well I had 2 with crooked backs, thought it was a deformity and was going to use clove oil on them. Then a 3rd one that was perfectly normal started getting an arched back and hanging in the plants upside down. A couple others are swollen and one hanging at the top. Little ones have stopped eating. I'm taking about 4 of them to a vet this morning. Now I'm nervous about them having TB.
Let us know how the vet appointment goes. What is TB?
 
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Let us know how the vet appointment goes. What is TB?
The vet Euthanized the 2 with crooked backs and is sending them out for a histopath. The 3rd, fish that was getting crooked he send back home, but it can't swim now. :cry: He also gave me Antibiotic for 7 days. Wants me to salt at 2 cups in a 40gal. That seems like a lot and he didn't say anything about my plants or snails. What % of salt is that, does anyone know?

Tuberculosis
If a fish has a bent or curved spine, it is most likely infected with a Gram-positive mycobacteria (Mycobacterium marinum or M. fortuitum). This is commonly referred to as fish tuberculosis, piscine tuberculosis, acid-fast disease or granuloma disease. Tuberculosis is a chronic, progressive disease that may take years to fully develop. Symptoms include lethargy, emaciation, fin and scale loss, exophthalmia (bulging eyes), skin inflammation and ulceration, edema (dropsy), peritonitis (parasite infestation) and nodules in muscles that may cause deformation of the fish. Fish that appear to be most susceptible to fish tuberculosis are gouramis, black mollies, neons, and other tetras, carp and anabantids.
Infected fish should be removed and quarantined immediately for four weeks or more. To prevent this infection, do not overcrowd, and provide good water quality. Remove any fish that appear affected. Some successful treatments have been described using chloramine-B or -T, cyclosporine, doxycycline, ethambutol, ethionamide, isoniazid, kanamycin, minocycline, penicillin, rifampin, streptomycin, sulfonamides and tetracycline. In addition, you might try using streptomycin for the first four days at a dose of 10.6 mg/L (40 mg/gallon). After the streptomycin treatment is completed, feed the affected fish with food that has been treated (soaked in) with rifampin at a rate of 10 milligrams per 100 grams of food for about two months. At the same time, treat the aquarium with isoniazid twice a week at a 10.6 mg/L (40 mg/gallon) dosage for one month. If all fish become infected and eventually die, the entire aquarium should be sterilized using a mild bleach solution and rinsed with liberal amounts of water before adding any new fish.

Tula- I googled fish TB. Really serious stuff! It is treatable but is also contagious.
Yes It is and very sad. He also said it could be another kind of infection. Histopath will take about a week
 
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Wow, I've never hear of fish TB before, always learning. I've read about gram positive bacteria, but don't know anything about it.

Are these fry from a spawning of your koi? Any idea how they contracted the TB? I am so very sorry this is happening to you and your fish. It's fortunate you have a fish vet near by.
 
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Wow, I've never hear of fish TB before, always learning. I've read about gram positive bacteria, but don't know anything about it.

Are these fry from a spawning of your koi? Any idea how they contracted the TB? I am so very sorry this is happening to you and your fish. It's fortunate you have a fish vet near by.
Yes they are fry from my koi pond. I have no idea how something like that is brought in. I never get new fish as my spawn each year. I have a bunch of birds, frogs and this year a ton of snake mating in the pond. I will ask more when the results come back.

I'm a bit nervous putting the antibiotic in. They are so small. Feel so bad for them going through this. Hoping it doesn't destroy my cycle.
Thank you for chatting--most people just don't understand we love them and they are not just fish.
 
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I've see this salinity calculator on koiphen.com , maybe it can help you figure out the % of salt in your 40 gallon container.

 
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We all feel your pain with the fish. Try to keep in mind that you are more distressed than they are! They don't know what is going on but you do. We all share your anxiety. The salt into your aquarium seems like a heavy dose but I would guess it is ok. Dont use iodised salt use something like pool salt.
I would do whatever the vet said to do and do it right away. If it is TB then act quickly. I am surprised it is TB as that is pretty rare in a system that has had no new fish introduced. Fingers crossed it works. You are doing everything you can and that is all that matters.
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I've see this salinity calculator on koiphen.com , maybe it can help you figure out the % of salt in your 40 gallon container.

Thank you! I will check it out. I had this test from years ago, I tested last night and it was 0.08%. It says with plants I can go to 0.1%. This test has long been expired and I can't find it on-line anywhere. So I don't know if it is even accurate. I am doing 50% water change every day because of the medicine going in every night. ( I think that's a bit to much. Going to send vet an email ) So this is going to be tricky for me. I'm already stressed to the max having to put them through the meds and the 50% water change each morning. So I have to figure out what salt should be added as the vet sent me another formula. Of course it is all greek to me. I'm attaching that photo incase anyone knows what the % means in terms of what I have on the concentration chart. anyone know if this is going to crash my cycle? That's all I need.

We all feel your pain with the fish. Try to keep in mind that you are more distressed than they are! They don't know what is going on but you do. We all share your anxiety. The salt into your aquarium seems like a heavy dose but I would guess it is ok. Dont use iodised salt use something like pool salt.
I would do whatever the vet said to do and do it right away. If it is TB then act quickly. I am surprised it is TB as that is pretty rare in a system that has had no new fish introduced. Fingers crossed it works. You are doing everything you can and that is all that matters.
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Thank you Ray--I'm hoping it's not TB, cause that would be a disaster and we haven't even addressed the pond if it is. These are eggs from them, I am hoping it is something that was on a plant I got to put with the fry and not the pond. I am using API aquarium salt. The vet sent me another level he wanted me to do as I have pond snails in there and plants. I just have no idea what he is talking about. Attached Photo. I am also looking for that salt test.
Are snails ok in the 0.1% for 7 days? If that is what the photo is saying.

Here is a video of this morning after doing the first dose last night and the 50% water change this morning. Vet thought that little black/silver one was going to be ok as it was swimming upright in his office, but it is breaking my heart watching it now. I don't know if the meds will help him or not. Also one of the little yellow ones is having a hard time today. That's why I think the 50% is to much.

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So as I said earlier you are doing everything you can! So be at peace with that thought. So my question is why the 50% water-change each day? Do the meds say to do that? If the meds or the vet didn't say to do that then I would not do water-changes while they are sick. Also keep remembering they are suffering less than you.

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So as I said earlier you are doing everything you can! So be at peace with that thought. So my question is why the 50% water-change each day? Do the meds say to do that? If the meds or the vet didn't say to do that then I would not do water-changes while they are sick. Also keep remembering they are suffering less than you.

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Yes he vet said to change 50% each morning. But that took out 1/2 the salt and I don't understand the salt formula he sent me to know how much to put back in. So I am going to have to email and wait until tomorrow. But they were a lot more active before the water change. The medicine is Trimethoprim/Sulfamethox 480mg. 6 tabs a day.
 
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