lockdown

[yorkshire pudding]

hi everyone, so our prime minister has just announced a 1 month covid lockdown for england, things just dont seem to be getting any better i think its time that people really need to stick to the rules or we will never get rid of this horrible horrible virus, im lucky i have my garden to go out into feel sorry for people who cant get outside or have no outside to go too, being stuck inside is not good for people we are hunter gatherers we need to be outside. i used to live in a city and that can be tough so when we moved house the first thing on the top of the list was a large garden and now it means so much more to have my piece of paradise, my garden. stay safe everyone. mark.

 

[addy1]

Stay safe.

We still treat the area as a lock down, big germ. We stay home (almost 4 acres to play in) or on our new to us old boat. Any boaters we run into, live aboards mainly, all respect the distance, masks only if you need to enter the dock masters area. Ow we all step to a side dock to let others pass.

Using the at home time to replace flooring, painting walls (need to go buy paint) tossing excess clothes, purging. Our house will be lots better after this winter.

We usually go to Florida, no way this year. His parents old house will just sit and wait for us to come back next fall maybe.

 

[Gemma]

I'm on 4 acres as well, plenty here to keep me busy and happy if I'm stuck at home.
Due to my job, I have to follow CDC and DHS guidelines, but I know non of our clients do when they're out of our building.
Most people I talk to are against the whole mask wearing, social distancing, frequent handwashing etc

 

[Lisak1]

Hot topic @yorkshire pudding . I'm just curious - how locked down are you? Are people working? Going shopping? Going to hospitals?

The belief that we will somehow "get rid of a virus" by locking ourselves in our houses is somewhat misguided, I feel. Many experts are starting to advise that we are simply "kicking the can down the road". We're 8 months into "flattening the curve". Then we had to "bend the curve" which lead to "crushing the curve". Funny how no one mentions that pesky old curve anymore.

And calling a virus "horrible horrible" when it has a recovery rate for healthy people of 99.8% is rather overblown. Protect the vulnerable and take precautions to keep yourself healthy, but life has to go on. I live in a state where the governor just shut down indoor dining again - even though the data shows only 1% of "cases" can be traced to restaurants or bars. 80% to nursing homes... seems like we're attacking the wrong target.

Just one person's opinion. I know most people don't agree - that's fine. Time will tell I suppose.

 

[GBBUDD]

As most are aware so much of the media today is how to put the fear of mortality right in front of us and not let us think that every day humans get sick and we fight it off and sometimes it is less then fun, while other times it gets the better of us. Well one night while flipping through the stations. I found cnn and they were running a list of people we have lost this year all the while blaming one person for this. Well the only take i got from this video is you have to watch for some time before you find a couple names under tge age of 65. And even then the number of those are very very far between. Now i am no spring chick and i have a couple of what that would call underlining conditions and i believe i already had this PANDEMIC . We are all human and like one sticker i have on my bike helmet says. EAT RIGHT, EXERCISE DIE ANYWAYS ... SAYS IT ALL IN MY BOOK
Yes covid is contagious
Yes covid is no joke to SOME
Yes MOST healthy individuals get over covid with noo side effects or long lasting effects
Yes some healthy individuals have off ill effects while some say it was the worst they had ever been sick.
Well here is cnn trying to scare us once again to me this looks like life of humanity if we ever put a microscope over other serious know outbreaks like we h ave done to covid id doubt there's to much of a difference. Look for your self in the video it looks like it is yet another nasty human illness less fatal then some cancers and more contagious then the flue but less so then others..
I WOULD LOVE TO SEE A LIST OF HOW MANY ABOVE THE AGE OF 65 WHO HAVE PASSED THIS YEAR WHO WERE NOT ON THE LIST OF THE 200000

 

[Tula]

I am protecting my vulnerable loved ones and taking precautions to remain healthy. The only way I know to do this is to not go out to unnecessary places, socially distance, wear a mask etc. My 84 year old mother is with us now, as she's moving here from out of state, so I'm very careful.

Also the young couple across the street both have covid. He said they've been very sick....their son's preschool had an outbreak...that's how they got it.

Also a friend of mine in England, her husband has covid. He came home from work feeling dreadful, he went down hill pretty quickly and has asthma. He didn't want to go to the hospital, but eventually he went by ambulance. He isn't on a ventilator, but is on O2 and quite sick. My friend has no idea how he got it, they've been very careful...obviously her husband goes to work.

 

[addy1]

The numbers say we might not get it, might survive, might not. We just refuse to gamble with our lives. I don't even gamble with money so why gamble we might run into a spreader. Therefore masks, distance etc

 

[Lisak1]

@yorkshire pudding - I just read the news this morning about the lockdown in UK. Schools and universities remain open, manufacturing jobs open, construction sites open, you can leave your home to shop and exercise. Most of the lockdown advocates in the US and the rest of the world would scoff at that "lockdown". You'll still have MILLIONS of human interactions daily.

If you really expect a lockdown to work, then NO ONE leaves their home... not to shop, not to seek medical care, you can't get your cable repaired or your plumbing or anything else that fails fixed, no trash pick up, no Amazon deliveries or grocery pick ups or curbside food service... the list goes on. EVERY ONE stays home. If you get sick - you stay home because the doctors and nurses are staying home, too. You might die in your house, but it's for the greater good of "eliminating" Covid. A "lockdown" that has any kind of human interaction outside of your home will never stop a virus. All it takes is one human host to keep it moving. And that one gives it to 3 and those three give it to three more, and so on. The number grows exponentially. You can see, though, why a true lockdown wouldn't be something that a modern society would accept - we are all too dependent on one another. Your lockdown proves that. And what are we willing to see our governments do to maintain control of the lockdown? Some countries will shoot their own citizens dead in the streets if they don't comply - anyone interested in that? I mean, if the virus - which is not a disease by the way - just a virus - but if it's THAT BAD then shouldn't we be willing to go to any lengths whatsoever?

We keep hearing that another 100,000 will die in the US If we don't all (insert your favorite mitigation here). Well I just did the math - there are 61 days left in the year. Almost 8000 people die every day in the US. That's almost half a million people who will die statistically speaking, no matter what - what other mitigations are we going to take to make sure no one dies OF ANYTHING? And who will we blame when they do?

Protect the vulnerable, take any precautions that give you peace of mind, don't expect your government to "keep you safe - that's not the job of government - don't shame your family members, neighbors, or friends for the decisions they make and let's carry on with life.

@Tula I hope your friend's husband recovers quickly. We are doing much better now with treatment. Overall the death rate is way down and that includes the death rate for those who are being hospitalized. I think we've learned that putting Covid patients on a ventilator should be the last resort rather than the standard of care. Not a great idea.

@addy1 - I don't disagree with your approach... but that's an achievable goal for you with little to no impact on your daily life. What about those who need their jobs to support their families? Should they be happy to sit at home and watch their lives go down the drain because "we're all in this together"? What kind of support do we owe these people who have been pushed out of the work force because they have been deemed "non-essential"?

 

[yorkshire pudding]

hi everyone, nice to read different peoples reactions on covid . our lockdown is stay at home, leave only for work if you cant work from home,medical reasons, to shop for food or exercise no mixing with different households, goverment to pay 80% of wages while workers are furloughed this is supposed to be for a month only (not long enough imo) australia has its first day of no new cases after 112 days of lockdown. i understand the concept of herd immunity but that is tough for people with underlying problems, 99.8% (lisak1)recovering leaves .2% im not too good at maths but i reckon thats still in the millions. my wife passed 2 years ago of kidney failure (no fault of her own) she used to go to hospital for dialysis 3 times a week and i cant imagine how terrifying that would have been for us in the middle of all this. our goverment likes to show us lots of graphs and charts to highlight how this virus is changing and adapting quicker than we are and all those younger people who thought they were immune and stronger than the virus are starting to get very ill, then go visit grandparents and........... well you know how it goes. at our current infection rate our nhs (national health service) will have no icu beds available by the end of november thats our whole country and thats just for covid what about all the "normal" illness that happens all the time and winter brings on more flu problems, over running an already exhausted health system.it then comes down to drs and nurses to decide who gets oxygen who doesnt, so difficult i couldnt do there job for all the money in the world, i got to know a lot of health workers when my wife was in hospital and i cannot speak highly enough of them true angels on earth !!!!! stay safe everyone. thanks mark

 

[addy1]

My heart aches for all, also for the deaths I know of, some young some old, the families broken. We are "lucky" to not need to work, "unlucky" to be in the vulnerable age.

 

[yorkshire pudding]

lisak1 the reason i asked about lockdown was to get responses to see what different people think, yours is very detailed and informed, i agree with most of what you say, what im saying is this virus scares the hell out of me !!!!!! i was unfortunate enough to go to war 3 times in my career (decorated 3 times) and i was never as scared as i am by this virus. my nephew and his girlfriend had a baby 4months ago and it was a nightmare for them he wasnt allowed in the hospital pre birth/birth /post birth it was horrible so scary for his partner giving birth on her own, thankfully there little family are home and safe. if we all did exactly as we were told then it would be like north korea all round the world, i just think doing my little bit makes me feel better i havnt left my home since the beginning of march and i know the effect that has had on me, i will be glad when its all done but thats a long way of possibly never.

 

[Lisak1]

@yorkshire pudding - your response is exactly what they are aiming for... the virus is scarier than war! And in fact they've used war terminology to talk about Covid - we're all fighting THE ENEMY! Wouldn't it have been a great war if we knew that 99.8% of all the young men and women who went to fight would have returned home safe and sound? It would have been hard, it would have been a struggle, some few would have died, but the VAST MAJORITY would be fine. The media engages us all in "panic porn" - non-stop coverage of the danger! The threat! The risks! THE NEW RISKS! It never ends. No wonder we are all walking basket cases right now.

Also to be clear - that's 99.8% of those who GET Covid. And that's current numbers - we honestly don't even know how many people have had it and weren't tested and therefore never included in the case count. As that denominator grows, the CFR (case fatality rate) will continue to go down. We'll only know that as they continue to look for immunity in the general population.

I had two grandchildren born this year so I understand what your nephew and his girlfriend went through. Let me also share how we watched with great interest as the doctors and nurses at a critical care hospital - where one of those babies was born and who's parents were told they may not be able to be together for the birth and they may take the baby away immediately afterward because COVID - but those same medical professionals flooded the streets of the city during all the protests that were going on. We know this because they proudly posted photos of their support for the movement on their hospital Facebook page. You can imagine how all the parents who had children in critical condition in that hospital felt when they saw that happening - only one parent can be in the hospital with a child, but the medical teams can all mingle with the masses in the streets and then return to the bedsides of those terribly sick children. It's when you see things like that that you have to ask what's really going on.

I read an article yesterday - some 20% of grocery store workers in Boston had Covid... and MOST HAD NO SYMPTOMS. So who cares? And yes, I know - ASYMPTOMATIC SPREAD. Except tell me - how do you trace an infection to someone who had no idea they were even sick? The whole theory of asymptomatic spread came from one.single.case. And the "asymptomatic" person later reported that she did in fact have symptoms - it was just that no one asked her.

All of this is to say - relax. Statistically speaking you'll be fine.

 

[GBBUDD]

@yourkshire pudding
i was unfortunate enough to go to war 3 times in my career.
though you aren't in the states thank you for your service we have no country we call friend more then the uk.

My suggestion to us all is get your self in shape Durring these Shake downs . Even going for walks can do a lot to fight covid

 

[yorkshire pudding]

lisak1 remind me not to get in a fight with you you are very literate and well written. all i know like i said its scares me, as for your grandkids im glad they and there parents are good. as for your healthworkers im sure they are mostly dedicated like most health workers are but yes there is always someone to the exception. my reason for posting was to see how different people around the world were dealing with this virus not to get in a fight and its interesting to here different points of view and i think im getting that. GGBUD thank you and thank you for your service, i have visited the US many times and have some family in florida and i was always made to feel very welcome where ever we went military bases, air bases, naval bases. i still keep in touch with a friend i made 30 years ago in new orleans, the uk stands by there greatest friends.

 

[JBtheExplorer]

Funny how no one mentions that pesky old curve anymore.

Can't flatten the curve when every state had different rules, many states had few rules. We had a real chance early on. We really did. If we would've had a true lockdown across the country, we could've gotten ahead of it in a few short weeks. Summer would've likely been somewhat normal, but no one would get on the same page, so here we are.

Meanwhile, members of my family keep getting it. My late grandma's sister got it in mid summer. She died. A younger family member got it a couple months back. She spent time in the hospital and she's still not back to normal even today. I found out earlier this week that two more family members have it, both with symptoms. Hoping for the best.

I won't argue with you, but I will forever disagree with you on this topic @Lisak1.