Looking for some water hawthorne at a reasonable price?

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    I've read enough about it that I am very curious. However I feel that I am too cheap to pay the price listed on all the website I see. If it will grow from a cutting I am a very patient person and can wait. If someone can send me enough to get me started or a cutting at a reasonable price please pm me.
     
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    I planted some, see it now and then, but not consistently.
     
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    So you don't think its worth it? Because I am sure we are very similar climates?
     
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    I have it also and it pops up a little stem and then disappears forever and then all of a sudden it pops up again when I think it died but not giving me the wonderful results I was looking for. Maybe I am doing something wrong?
     
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    addy1 water gardener / gold fish and shubunkins Moderator

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    Not sure what to say to you, everything said invasive, grows a lot, spreads. But nope, feel lucky when I see a bloom. So not sure if I would recommend it.
     
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    j.w I Love my Goldies

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    Mine has never looked like that photo. I thought it liked cool water and partial shade. Heard it came alive when all else was sleeping in fall and winter. Mine sure doesn't.One sprout stem and that's it now. Seems to be getting worse. Does it need fertilizer or? Sure would be nice if mine looked like that. Maybe it likes tropical climates better as they have mild winters.
     
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    Andy yours looks great. But I am zone 7 too. It looks like you all have much greener thumbs than me. So I have enough challenges in life. I will forget that I ever read about it. Thanks
     
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    Water hawthorn is similar to a tropical waterlily that prefers a cooler temperature range.

    Given its cooler moderated temps it will chug along getting stronger at a steady pace. Can flower from October to May, eight months of the year in zone 7-8, given protection from Winter freezing

    Freezing cold temps and excessive hot temps can interrupt its progress and the tough as boots tuber will wait until the weather is more to its liking

    Quite a few folk will pitch the plant in the heat of Summer, not realising the tuber has gone heat dormant

    In a very mild climate it can drop a lot of seed and numbers sprout willy nilly, though the tintsy starts are likely to be grazed by anything that likes delicate green salad munchies

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    Well darn I planted some, it bloomed the first winter, then spring, then has disappeared. Figured our winter was too rough on it. I never saw that nice leaf growth.
     
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    Mine is hanging on for dear life. Has one stem coming up w/ no flowers. Mine did better the first year and then dwindled down year after year. I sure wish mine would spread out like yours Andy!
     
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    me too!
     
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    The persistence of more severe cold winter freezes this year would send water hawthorn fully dormant, in milder winters when waters were consistently 50'ish with brief warm spells, it would have been in strong shape to leaf and bud up

    Of course were you to be a real plant nut your water hawthorn would have been fertilised in October, scuttled into a protected position indoors or in a greenhouse so it would be in strong shape to plant out when winter clears out

    aka cheat when the first severe Winter storm approaches. A few tubers in a plastic tray waiting to be tidied up and planted out :)

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    scruffy_winter.jpg
     
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    Thanks Andy and if mine ever gets babies I just might do that cuz I do have a greenhouse and an inside :)
     
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    One of the owners at pondplants.com told me you can take hawthorns out of the pond and let them dry out (bucket and all) during very cold or very hot seasons where it goes dormant. Drop it back in when water temps are around 50F and it will come back to life stronger than it was before.
     
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    Yup tubers can be tough cookies. You would probably lose them if they freeze through, so some reliable frost free storage would be needed, the bottom of a pond is usually a safe bet for Winter. David Curtright would probably notice how long its season is in the Northern end of the state, lol

    Trick is with Water Hawthorn, knowing it likes a mild range of temps to grow enthusiastic, that can be a bit limited in the USA as the volatile climate tends to swing from too cold to too hot over many parts with not enough moderate 'in between' climate that it prefers

    In NC WH will bloom 8 months of the year, if the severity of Winter is mild and frosts are brief...

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    This is all so confusing. Because my pond is in the 50-60 degree range for a long portion of the year. But we never have those high temperature of North Carolina. The bottom of my pond seems to over winter lilies fine. But things like parrot feather do not do well until the fall.
     
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    Sounds like water hawthorn would do very well in your temperatures. Who knows what inhibits growth where you are of what is usually an invasive fast growing plant like parrots feather. You have not defined what your pond is like, its aspect or configuration, you don't specify what the ph or soil is like, what environmental factors might be an influence.

    It's not a bad idea to clue self up with a couple of books on the subject, before making a pond
     
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    I've been wondering how they produce seeds. Do they self pollinate, or does it require two plants?
     
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    One other comment about difficulty growing these guys. Soil medium made a difference for me. I tried basic kitti litter type medium first, and the plant didn't do very well. I probably didn't have enough nutrients in my pond at the time. Since then I switched to actual soil and added some fertilizer tabs. I put the tuber close to the top of the soil and covered everything with an inch of sand/lava rock mixture. My hawthorne has been growing like mad since then.
     
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