Mechanical filtration choices discussion.

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I am to the point that I need to start thinking about filtration for the new ponds. Currently I have these liners: 25'x50', 25'x30', 10'x50' and a couple of smaller ones. For a change I want to have the filters planed out prior to locating and digging. Yes I have been digging but so far these are temporary pond and will be filled in or form part of the permanent ponds.

These are the mechanical technologies I know of. I have divided them into related technology groups. A few are also biological. If I have missed any please post.

Simple pads
Sieves and/or socks
RDF Rotating Drum

Radial flow
Vortex
Upflow through coarse media

Fluidized bed (bead)

bog
veggie filter
 
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Birdman's sand and gravel filter has caught my interest. DYI, economical, easy. For my front yard, I just can't figure out how to make it 'fit in' visually.
 

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gardengimp said:
Birdman's sand and gravel filter has caught my interest. DYI, economical, easy. For my front yard, I just can't figure out how to make it 'fit in' visually.
Agree. It is a filter type I hand not yet seen. I will add it to the list and research it and DIY versions. Would need to come to grips with my distaste for heavy media aka rocks.


Simple pads
Sieves and/or socks
RDF Rotating Drum

Radial flow
Vortex
Upflow through coarse media

Fluidized bed (bead)
Sand and gravel filter

bog
veggie filter
 
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Mechanical filtration works best in stages. An ideal set up, for me, would be vortex/ sieve/ sand filter. Then you could run it to some sort of biological filter and back to the pond.
The only reason I would put the vortex in front of the sieve would be as a sort of last chance safe zone for any small fish, turtles, tadpoles, etc,,, that got sucked through the bottom drain. If all you had was large koi in the pond a vortex filter in front of the sieve would be redundant.
 

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Currently I am thinking of using a radial flow as the first stage

I need to look more at what people are doing with sieves. If I use one it would have to be self cleaning and reliable.
 

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I have been showing restraint, but I give.. :) Will share my thoughts, but not going to argue. If folk want to believe their filter system cure all ailments that exist in the pond world, then that is a fair enough positioning to me. :)

In regards to self-cleaning sieves, I have not yet seen a single sieve that is truely self cleaning. They all require assistance at dumping the debris, including the cetus sieve. The only truely self-cleaning mechanical filter I have seen are the rotary drum filters (RDFs) and the only maintenance on these are to make sure the sprayers do not get clogged over time with mineral buildup, which mineral buildup might not occur depending on pond's water chemistry. However, a properly built RDF is quite expensive starting at around $2,500 US for a unit that can handle 3,900 gph.

I like the radial flow settlement chamber due to it taking less space than a true vortex settlement chamber. Also, could construct the vortex to take less space by building it to have a type of pre-filter inside the vortex. To make a true vortex type settlement chamber, without modifications, then the chamber tank size must be 10% of the flow rate; so, 1,000 gph would require a 100 gallon chamber to properly slow down the water so to allow the debris to properly settle down in the tank.

S&Gs (sand and gravel filter) are very awesome polishing mechanical filtration. Although, I have seen these used as the only mechanical filtration, which will needed to be blown out more often, but they have to be flushed quite a bit. S&Gs will also contribute to a particular environment to help with bio-filtering. There are quite a few youtube videos that show how they are blown out. The depth of each differently sized rock layer inside the filter is what determines the filter's flow rate and how hard the filter can be blown. S&Gs are essentially a controlled, purging version of a bog. Plants can be put on top if so desired.

For a simple pad mechanical filter, you could get a 5 gallon bucket with a gamma seal lid and fill it with various sized matala filter pads. There is a gasket on this seal lid and it screws down quite tight on the bucket so to make a water tight seal and can withstand water pressure from within without busting the lid off. If built so to create a water lock that can be primed after cleaning, then you could place this type of filter as a pre-filter prior to your pump; although, this could significantly increase your pump's head height demands depending on volume and sizing of padding in it.

For bio-filtration, I enjoy the moving bed filter and using plants throughout my pond's stream. I chose the moving bed filter since it helps to release the dissolved gases in the water and does not oxidize much nitrogen out of the water, such as shower towers, since I want this nitrogen for my plants. Trickle towers and skippies and static submerge bio-filters are fine, but I believe and have seen their bio-filtering processing capability to be lower. Bogs are fine as well, but, when I do construct one, I would rather it be one built to be an aquaponic grow bed such as one for a vegetable garden.



Here is how I have mine setup... I put in a little over $2,000 into it. Most of the investment, around about 90% of it, is in the mechanical filtration since I think mechanical filtration is the most important and significantly improves a bio-filters efficiency.

Running around 4,300 gph through my itsy-bitsy 435 gallon pond.

I am using a suction side sieve, such as the zakki sieve (which is what I use). However, keep in mind that anything on the suction side of a pump will significantly increase the head height demand on a pump. There aren't many suction side particulate mechanical filtration devices available. The reason these are used on the suction side is so to prevent the debris from getting chopped into finer bits after exiting the pump, which these finer bits are somewhat tougher to capture.

For my retro-fit 2 inch "bottom drain", I simply heated up 3 seperate 10 foot spans of 2" PVC so to make a circle, then used a grinder to cut out 1/2" wide slits and 3/4" wide slits all around it and spaced 1/4" between each slit, then connected it all together around my center fountain, and this is my suction inlet. Strapped on top of my suction inlet is 30 foot length of colorite aero-tubing so to provide a vertical circular current, which also has helped the floating debris to reach my 2 skimmers on each side of the pond. Sieves are larger particulate filtration. For smaller polishing particulate mechanical filtration, after the pump, then I use a MC-50 (also called the MC-16). After the polishing filter, a portion of the water is T'd off to go into my DIY'd moving bed filter and to my growing beds, but, since my grow beds are not setup, then it all goes to my moving bed filter. After the bio-filters, I have a booster pump to push the water into my waterfall and stream. During the winter, I have a bypass in the pond so to continue circulating the water without it going through my filtration and/or stream. This portion of the system totals around 2,300 gph.

My two skimmers each have a 1,000 gph pump. One skimmer sends water to my fountain in the center of the pond and the other skimmer feeds my pond returns to help create a horizontal water current. My four pond returns are simply just 1/2" PVC that standup inside my pond with a smooth 90 elbow and around 250 gallons is pushed through each of them.

I also have my plumbing rigged up so I can divert the water to some growing beds or setup so I can completely bypass all of my filtration during the winter by having all of the water pushed through my pond returns.

This is a retrofit job and I did my best to hide the plumbing with my rock wall, which does catch some debris. So, I have to occasionally, when I see the debris, spray the rocks to knock the debris loose to reach my drain or use my pond vacuum.

All of this is built so to create water currents to obtain a self cleaning pond, that is designed so the water currents push the debris to the drain and to the skimmers.

It literally only takes me 2~3 minutes total to clean out both of my filters with simple switching on/off of valves and no pads or screens to clean, only clean my skimmer baskets when ever there is a noticeable amount of debris in them, and spray down my rock walls whenever I notice some debris. So, within an entire week, I spend about 10 minutes all together in cleaning my filtration. I have waited up to 3 weeks without cleaning and it never created a problem.

I spend the vast majority of my ponding time with playing evil water chemist on my pond and fish. :salook: Continually pushing my fish stock density.
 
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crsublette said:
I have been showing restraint, but I give.. :) Will share my thoughts, but not going to argue.
Oh come on Charles, argue with me a little. It's fun!

That's quite the filtration system and circulation you have on your "itsy-bitsy" pond. I'm visualizing a current in your pond that looks something like a toilet bowl being flushed. :toothy12: .
How about uploading a video of your pond and filter system?
 

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a simple twist on a radial flow.... a media grid and polyfill on its last stage (flowing up and out). whatever finer particles that dont settle and stay in solution can be caught in the last stage of the flow up thru the polyfill stage of the filter. its the largest displacement of pressure and should easily trap a major portion of any that make it thru the radial settlement portions. oops i didnt label the flush valve. sorry for the sloppy drawing!
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Very nice koiguy. The drawing works very well and works pretty good, not that sloppy at all.
 

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Oh come on Charles, argue with me a little. It's fun!

That's quite the filtration system and circulation you have on your "itsy-bitsy" pond. I'm visualizing a current in your pond that looks something like a toilet bowl being flushed. :toothy12: .
How about uploading a video of your pond and filter system?
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I would like to see a video too. :) Exp of the mech filtration.

I'll see what I can do. I've been doing some homework on underwater camcorders. I never do have good luck with cameras or devices like these since they always seem to be busted or lost. Eventhough I spreadout the suction for the 2,300gph throughout a 30 foot length of pipe with many many slits in it, I wonder if the suction is really that strong. I'm very curious as to see how my slitted drain is working since it is impossible for me to see it, that is without putting my head under the water, since it is under my flagstone table that my center fountain sits on.

I know the flow sounds strong, but it really isn't. 2,300 of it, sucked from my slitted drain, slowly enters the pond from the stream. 1,000 of it, sucked from a skimmer, splashes down from my fountain. Then, 1,000 of it, sucked from another skimmer, split 4 ways, for each pond return, but, since using 1/2" pvc and with all of the other angles and pipe length, I would imagine the friction loss is quite significant so I am not sure if I am even getting 200~250 through each pond return. You can see the water surface area moving, but can't feel it when my hand is in the water and don't see the fish getting tossed around. Supposedly, in the river flow pond designs, that have around 20 times the flow rate compared to the pond volume, you can actually see the water disturbance created by the flow, but I don't see anything like that with this setup.
 

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i was contemplating buiding one from a 5 gal bucket for next years fry pond... i think it would work exceptionally well; especially with a 55 gal drum or bigger.
 

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koiguy1969 said:
a simple twist on a radial flow.... a media grid and polyfill on its last stage (flowing up and out). whatever finer particles that dont settle and stay in solution can be caught in the last stage of the flow up thru the polyfill stage of the filter. its the largest displacement of pressure and should easily trap a major portion of any that make it thru the radial settlement portions. oops i didnt label the flush valve. sorry for the sloppy drawing!
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I am wondering if there is any reason to bring the water in from the bottom. Wouldn't you get the same result with it coming in from the top?
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yep theres reason... you use a large diameter "up pipe" this slows the flow speed of the water, not the amount just its force. as it flows 'down' the second stage its a larger area so the flow pressure is lessened again. the two times it changes direction and looses force are the secret to the "radial flow". the slowing water, and sudden direction changes is what allows for the settling.
 

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I wonder if anyone tested this. It would be fun to build two filters and see if that bottom feed makes any difference.

Having the up pipe inside the down pipe makes the effective down pipe smaller. This increases the down speed of the water.

We can change the direction of the water flow at the top of the down pipe without having the feed pipe in the down pipe.

I expect this would be more effective. The cone is there to smooth the water flow as it expands to the larger down pipe.

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