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It’s been too long since my last pond update—January feels like a lifetime ago! A lot has been happening since then, and I’ve even been thinking about adding on to the pond. Some of the fish have spawned again, and while it's always interesting to see new life, it's also a reminder that space is getting tight. Expansion might be the next step just to keep everything balanced and healthy.

I’ve even had a few little fish show up in the stream—they must’ve been small enough to slip up through the gravel in the bog. If they get too big, I move them into the main pond. I originally started with 7 goldfish and 1 koi, and sadly, I think my Shubunkin didn’t make it. I found a fish carcass on top of the net (which definitely needs some work), and I haven’t seen the Shubunkin since—so I’m guessing it was him.

At this point, I’ve got over 40 fish. Toward the beginning of last year, I noticed some worms living on the leaf basket cover after I removed it. I wasn’t sure if they were harmful, so I just rinsed them off to be safe. Around that same time, I saw at least two fish—including my koi—with what looked like a translucent worm hanging off them. They were still acting fast and hungry, and I tried to catch them, but they were way too quick. One of the worms actually fell off on its own. I ended up adding some sea salt to the pond, and that seemed to help. I haven’t seen any worms this year, so fingers crossed it worked.

I think one of my horsetail plants might have died—it’s not green, and by now it definitely should be. I’m wondering if it’s due to the water level fluctuations. I usually have to top off the pond every five or six days when it drops about 3 to 4 inches. Some evaporation is normal, of course, but I recently discovered the overflow drain pipe behind my skimmer is damp, so it may just need tightening. That might be contributing to the water loss too.

My autofill has been off since last fall because the float valve keeps running and won’t shut off. Lesson learned—I should’ve spent a little more on a better-quality one. Still dealing with a fair amount of algae too. I’ve added some new plants, but I know I need more, and honestly, another bog would be a big help.

Also—about the net.
My pond net has been giving me some trouble lately. It tends to sag down into the pond or over the waterfall, and it’s causing more problems than it solves sometimes. I’ve been trying to think of solutions, like maybe building a curved pipe frame to support it… or going full dream-mode and building a greenhouse around the whole pond (not happening, says my dad—and probably my wallet too).

My mom wants me to ditch the net altogether. She says if leaves or apples fall into the pond, just scoop them out. We did trim the tree back on the waterfall side, which helps a bit, but the wind around here can get wild, and that stuff still finds a way in. Before I had the net, I had to clean the skimmer more often than I liked.

Even with all that, I’ve only cleaned out the skimmer and leaf basket twice in the past six months. The pond’s been running really efficiently—no water changes besides refilling every week or so. But that frequent refilling isn’t ideal. It messes with the ecosystem, since I’m adding chlorinated city water all the time. I throw in some beneficial bacteria now and then, but I know it’s not the same as letting things stay balanced naturally.

That’s actually what got me thinking more seriously about expanding. Right now I’m tossing around the idea of seaming another liner to the existing pond and adding a second, shallower pond—around 6 feet by 10 feet and about 3.5 feet deep, with 6 inches of gravel like the main pond (which is almost 4.5 feet deep, 4 feet above the gravel). I’d have a new stream and bog feeding in from the opposite side of the apple tree. I was also thinking about putting the new pump in my barn but now that doesn't sound great because the barn is a mess and hard to get into. My other pump is behind the house in the pump shed.

Of course, this all depends on cost. I’ve already told myself that if I go through with it, I’m absolutely renting a small tractor—no way I’m digging through that rocky dirt again by hand.

The plumbing plan in my head right now includes rerouting one of my return jets to help push water from the new pond area toward the skimmer, and then adding a new pipe from the new pump back into that old return jet in the main pond.


Thanks for reading—looking forward to your thoughts!
Short video of my fish
 

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It’s been too long since my last pond update—January feels like a lifetime ago! A lot has been happening since then, and I’ve even been thinking about adding on to the pond. Some of the fish have spawned again, and while it's always interesting to see new life, it's also a reminder that space is getting tight. Expansion might be the next step just to keep everything balanced and healthy.

I’ve even had a few little fish show up in the stream—they must’ve been small enough to slip up through the gravel in the bog. If they get too big, I move them into the main pond. I originally started with 7 goldfish and 1 koi, and sadly, I think my Shubunkin didn’t make it. I found a fish carcass on top of the net (which definitely needs some work), and I haven’t seen the Shubunkin since—so I’m guessing it was him.

At this point, I’ve got over 40 fish. Toward the beginning of last year, I noticed some worms living on the leaf basket cover after I removed it. I wasn’t sure if they were harmful, so I just rinsed them off to be safe. Around that same time, I saw at least two fish—including my koi—with what looked like a translucent worm hanging off them. They were still acting fast and hungry, and I tried to catch them, but they were way too quick. One of the worms actually fell off on its own. I ended up adding some sea salt to the pond, and that seemed to help. I haven’t seen any worms this year, so fingers crossed it worked.

I think one of my horsetail plants might have died—it’s not green, and by now it definitely should be. I’m wondering if it’s due to the water level fluctuations. I usually have to top off the pond every five or six days when it drops about 3 to 4 inches. Some evaporation is normal, of course, but I recently discovered the overflow drain pipe behind my skimmer is damp, so it may just need tightening. That might be contributing to the water loss too.

My autofill has been off since last fall because the float valve keeps running and won’t shut off. Lesson learned—I should’ve spent a little more on a better-quality one. Still dealing with a fair amount of algae too. I’ve added some new plants, but I know I need more, and honestly, another bog would be a big help.

Also—about the net.
My pond net has been giving me some trouble lately. It tends to sag down into the pond or over the waterfall, and it’s causing more problems than it solves sometimes. I’ve been trying to think of solutions, like maybe building a curved pipe frame to support it… or going full dream-mode and building a greenhouse around the whole pond (not happening, says my dad—and probably my wallet too).

My mom wants me to ditch the net altogether. She says if leaves or apples fall into the pond, just scoop them out. We did trim the tree back on the waterfall side, which helps a bit, but the wind around here can get wild, and that stuff still finds a way in. Before I had the net, I had to clean the skimmer more often than I liked.

Even with all that, I’ve only cleaned out the skimmer and leaf basket twice in the past six months. The pond’s been running really efficiently—no water changes besides refilling every week or so. But that frequent refilling isn’t ideal. It messes with the ecosystem, since I’m adding chlorinated city water all the time. I throw in some beneficial bacteria now and then, but I know it’s not the same as letting things stay balanced naturally.

That’s actually what got me thinking more seriously about expanding. Right now I’m tossing around the idea of seaming another liner to the existing pond and adding a second, shallower pond—around 6 feet by 10 feet and about 3.5 feet deep, with 6 inches of gravel like the main pond (which is almost 4.5 feet deep, 4 feet above the gravel). I’d have a new stream and bog feeding in from the opposite side of the apple tree. I was also thinking about putting the new pump in my barn but now that doesn't sound great because the barn is a mess and hard to get into. My other pump is behind the house in the pump shed.

Of course, this all depends on cost. I’ve already told myself that if I go through with it, I’m absolutely renting a small tractor—no way I’m digging through that rocky dirt again by hand.

The plumbing plan in my head right now includes rerouting one of my return jets to help push water from the new pond area toward the skimmer, and then adding a new pipe from the new pump back into that old return jet in the main pond.


Thanks for reading—looking forward to your thoughts!
Short video of my fish
I have strong ropes running across through my net above my pond. Holds it up pretty good till we get a heavy snow. Then it does sag but I am quick to go out and shake it all off. We don't get a lot of snow here tho. I've seen good idea's on here of what others use that is stronger, like the hoop things and wood and metal wire curved deals like hog panels. Not sure you would need to use those metal stakes tho. Maybe something shorter to hold it down. Snow would not weigh down these!
Something like this:
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Or cattle panel w/ colored coating over the metal:
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I’m adding chlorinated city water all the time. I throw in some beneficial bacteria now and then
Wrong additives. If adding city water you should be throwing dechlorinator in , not BB.

While i love my bogs they certainly lack mechanical filtration. Adding a bakki shower onto the bogs there was no noticeable difference in the pond. But after a year with the nano bead filter in conjuntion with the bbogs see a clear difference. Every week I dump/ backwash the beadfilter and the black that comes out is amazing. Now I also have 20 koi over a foot long and 6 close to 20 inches. And 3 that are over and admittedly I am over feeding. But more smaller feeding than one large.
The bead takes no more than five minutes to flush and you could even do it in a tux. The only thing dirty is the water going out the pipe. So do I think two bogs do as good a job as does one of each, no !
We all know it's about biological and mechanical. If I had nothing but goldfish and minnows im sure two bogs would easily do the job 30 big koi and you know my take.
 
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Wrong additives. If adding city water you should be throwing dechlorinator in , not BB.

While i love my bogs they certainly lack mechanical filtration. Adding a bakki shower onto the bogs there was no noticeable difference in the pond. But after a year with the nano bead filter in conjuntion with the bbogs see a clear difference. Every week I dump/ backwash the beadfilter and the black that comes out is amazing. Now I also have 20 koi over a foot long and 6 close to 20 inches. And 3 that are over and admittedly I am over feeding. But more smaller feeding than one large.
The bead takes no more than five minutes to flush and you could even do it in a tux. The only thing dirty is the water going out the pipe. So do I think two bogs do as good a job as does one of each, no !
We all know it's about biological and mechanical. If I had nothing but goldfish and minnows im sure two bogs would easily do the job 30 big koi and you know my take.
I'm not actual in a large city more a small town I suppose and maybe our water is not chlorinated it has a sulfur smell so I do know they put something in it not sure what but it's just not good water for sure. The beneficial bacteria is good but I do think it's not enough I wonder if my test strips show chlorine I've only used them once or twice and I wasn't sure how accurate they were. I'll do some research and see maybe a dechlorinator would be help. Thanks
 
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Sulphur smell sounds like well water - not added. Natural.


Your water department should have an annual posted report that will show things like chlorine, chloramines, etc.
 
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I had to put a net on my pond due to heron/hawk visits. I ended up using some U channel stakes painted black and some "S" clips to hold the net to it. The net is out of the way of my plants and also easy to remove if needed. My setup is on the 2nd page of this post, but I'll include the whole thing as there are a few good ideas posted here: https://www.gardenpondforum.com/threads/pond-netting-3-questions.32062/page-2
 
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Sulphur smell sounds like well water - not added. Natural.


Your water department should have an annual posted report that will show things like chlorine, chloramines, etc.
I'm not sure what it is but someone told us that the city is putting something in our water and it smells bad. I'll look and see if there is a report that's a good thought thanks.
 
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I had to put a net on my pond due to heron/hawk visits. I ended up using some U channel stakes painted black and some "S" clips to hold the net to it. The net is out of the way of my plants and also easy to remove if needed. My setup is on the 2nd page of this post, but I'll include the whole thing as there are a few good ideas posted here: https://www.gardenpondforum.com/threads/pond-netting-3-questions.32062/page-2
Speaking of Herron I just had one visit my pond. I never seen them in town before they usually are out by the big lakes. Looked like it got a snail or a fish from my stream and that's fine at least it did not get any from the covered pond. I have to many fish. Never realized how big they are. Final had some rain but not much it's still very dry here we are under a red flag warning and already had a wildfire near by. They finally shut down the forest because some people just aren't smart sadly.
 
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Speaking of Herron I just had one visit my pond. I never seen them in town before they usually are out by the big lakes. Looked like it got a snail or a fish from my stream and that's fine at least it did not get any from the covered pond. I have to many fish. Never realized how big they are. Final had some rain but not much it's still very dry here we are under a red flag warning and already had a wildfire near by. They finally shut down the forest because some people just aren't smart sadly.
They have great eyesight and can see all our ponds from way up high. They don't give up and always keep trying. When it's never expected to see them again, they make an appearance! If your net is low over your pond they will stab right through to try for the fish. They may not get it out but then can still stab and hurt or kill them.
 
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Wish me well—my dad thinks I’ve gone off the deep end (pun intended) 🤪

I just ordered a 15’ x 15’ pond liner along with underlayment and a seam kit. This is part of a freeform pond addition that I’m designing on the fly. There’s plumbing that needs addressing: one return jet is directly in the way and will be rerouted, while another will stay in place near the stairs. That second jet is also influencing the shape, creating a narrow pass-through between the two pond sections.

My plan is to seam the new liner to the existing one. I’ve seen enough videos to feel confident, even though the current liner has a lot of folds. If I can dig down and get things flat, I think I can make it work. The new pond will be 3.5 feet deep, and I estimate the expansion can go about 8 feet out and 6 feet wide beyond the narrow opening. There will be a 2-foot-tall wall rising from the pond bottom to hold water back during construction, and it’ll remain in place once finished to help maintain water levels and separation between sections. That said, plumbing and structural constraints might limit usable liner, so I’ll likely over-dig and backfill to stretch the liner’s potential. I've been talking with my pond expert at the Pond Digger and she said recommended a submersible pump didn't mention what size just quoted me prices (great for a budget) and a new collaboration with Atlantic-Oase for a filter system https://www.instagram.com/p/C_iQCRYJGA5/?igsh=dnhwb3Ztem13a3lr https://www.instagram.com/reel/DIonEWLpMLU/?igsh=dXQwNzBrYTNtNHVs she said it's better than a bead filter in some ways. looks like it's an Atlantic® Oase BioTec Screenmatic.
I already have a submersible pump from the mid 2000's, so i'm looking into it's specs to see if it would be worth using.

I’ll be renting a small tractor to do the heavy digging—manual labor isn’t in the cards this time. 2020 was a big year for me physically, but lately my energy’s just not the same. I haven’t been spending much time out back, and truthfully, this project kind of rekindled my excitement.

And I’m glad it did—because if I hadn’t started this addition, I wouldn’t have discovered a sneaky leak. While troubleshooting water loss, I found underlayment wicking water out of the pond—exactly what a recent video warned about. The ground and fabric were soaked, and my apple tree was loving it a little too much—starting to root into the underlayment. Hopefully I won’t find big roots headed for the liner when I dig out that side.

My dad says I should fill the hole back in, but this train has already left the station. Worst case, if seaming the liner doesn’t go well, I’ll abandon ship. But if it works out, I’ll roll the liner up, shut off the pump, lower the water level to keep everything from draining, cut out the old plumbing, and continue with the build. I’ve still got leftover plumbing from the first pond that I can reuse, which saves a bit of cash.

I’ll keep posting updates and pics—once I rent the tractor and start shaping things up. We’ve still got a mountain of dirt and rock from the original dig that needs leveling. My dad’s been gradually tossing rocks into the trash, but with this expansion, I’ll have even more dirt and rocks. Feel free to critique my ideas thanks for reading.
 

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Seaming liners is tough. @GBBUDD has a good write up about it.

Good luck!
 
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Pond Addition Update

Oh boy, it’s full steam ahead! I rented a mini excavator because I knew there was no way I could dig this one out by hand. Even with the machine, I still had to dig about 6 inches and carve out the shape a bit more. The front portion is pretty much done, and now we’re working our way toward the back.

It was my first time running a tractor, and I had so much fun with it. My dad knows how to run one, but it’s been a while for him—he wasn’t really getting the hang of it. I think I actually got it down better than he did! Mom asked why I didn’t get a picture or video of myself on it, but she knows I’m not much of a “picture guy.”

I drained a bunch of water from the pond—just enough so the fish and lily still had water—then started taking apart the side and getting the liner ready to seam. I know it’s not going to be easy. I read what @GBBUDD wrote, and that was super informative. Hopefully, we’ll really get moving at the beginning of next week. It’s going to be tricky with the folds and the depth, but I think we can do it in sections, moving the liner over as we go. (Why do I always make things difficult for myself?)

Right now, only one plant and my water lily are without water, since the liner on the side slipped and started letting pond water out last night. That turned the hole into a muddy mess. Luckily, not too much water escaped—just enough to lower the level to where I actually needed it. I wasn’t quite ready for that, but it did help get my dad motivated to push this project into high gear.

Winter is coming up in just a couple of months, and my fish only have about a foot and a half of water at the moment. That’s not terrible, and I still have the waterfall, stream, and bog system running. On top of that, I’ve now got another huge pile of dirt and rocks to deal with. We decided it would be easier to take some buckets out to the woods and dump the rocks along the steep road or into a washed-out spot.

I also updated the size of my pond. I bought a new 15x20 liner (which I should have done from the start—it wasn’t much more than the 15x15). I was worried the 15' width wouldn’t be enough to go down into the hole and around the original pond sides, but this upgrade will give the back part almost 9 ft wide instead of just 6 ft like the front. Of course, there are still plenty of obstacles to work around, like making sure I leave space to get to the apple tree. I guess I can use that 15x15 liner to redo my bog its close to the fence and dad wasn't really happy about that also it just needs some adjustments might still be leaking a tiny amount. It would be a whole another project for next year probably and I'm just not sure If it really maters.

In fact, we haven’t lost much water since I turned off the skimmer-side pump and started pulling only from the bottom suction grid. Makes me wonder if the plumbing from the skimmer to the pump has a dry-fit connection somewhere. (See an old post from two years ago I forgot to glue some pipes, lol.)

When the power goes out, my pump stays primed, but if I open it to clean out the leaf basket, it takes forever to fill back up, like it won’t hold water pressure. It has a flapper valve at the skimmer and at the pond. The skimmer itself holds water fine, so I have no clue what’s going on there it gives me a hammering sound again when filling and I don't see any air bubbles in the pond or skimmer.

I really want to get this finished—and finished right. I’ll keep you guys posted as we go.


Thanks for checking on the build again!
 

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have you ever watched texas prpper on youtube he maakes hoop house out of cattle panels . I have wanted to do but never any time for it .Over 3 acres and the house and just me to take care of everything .I am 72 years old now and it is starting to get to me . I get up at 5 am every morning just to get started and just stopped because I need a coffee break for some energy ,. When I bought the lots in 2003 I thought it was going to be my dream retirement home . But has turned into lots of work , I even had norris homes build my house handicap accessable .The poor koi pond I built gets neglected but still is thriving , How not sure . So don't kill yourserlf building the pond as you will always want to change something . Good luck with the pond build . Hint my son put switchs in my master bedroom closet and they are marked which things each one runs . If any thing happens i can just turn off a switch or two .
 
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I finally got the new liner in the pond and started cleaning and laying things out for seaming the two liners. It’s pretty complex, so I’ll need to go over it with my dad later, do a dry run, and hopefully tomorrow we can start before it rains again.

We also did some work on my workshop, spraying it with painted cork. Unfortunately, they put a drop liner over part of the pond while it was raining, and it wasn’t done well—so now there’s some cork and paint residue in the water. I emptied as much as I could, but once I get my new internal pump for that side, I’ll be able to drain more. My current pump isn’t great and doesn’t reach the bottom.

The fish seem fine so far, but I’m not sure about the long term. Hopefully, they’ll be okay and I can get the water changed out quickly.
 

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