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    Vypr

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    Hey all,
    I finally have the means to build a water feature.
    I liked the idea of the aquasacpe system but holy crap, that's half my budget.
    I got all the parts off Amazon by picking and choosing.
    The one last thing I need to figure out is the spillway and something like the ecoblocks.
    I saw the PVC spillway but wasn't a fan.
    I had thought of using one of the heavy dudy plastic shelving units and making some horizontal supports so when I backfill it won't sag.
    My build will be small, roughly 10x12 waterfall/stream area. And 4x3x2 reservoir area.
    Height will be approx 5 ft of grade elevation over 10 ft.
    2ft wide stream areas and maybe 3-4 smaller drops for falls. Total reservoir is close to 240 gal I think. I have a 4000gph pump coming. Any thoughts here for a total noob?
     
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    You've done your homework but not sure of your questions. Are you just doing plants? What will you layout look like? I completely underestimated my first pond my half
     
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    Some plants. I'll have to snap some photos
     
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    Welcome to our forum!
     
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    Welcome!

    Ready made pond products can SEEM expensive, but DIY can cost you in time, frustration, failed performance, and having to re-do later. It's a trade-off. I'm not sure what you mean by using heavy duty shelving as a spillway - explain that one a bit more. And Aquablox are costly, but they really do the job well. I've seen some DIY builds with milk crates or even stacked PVC pipes with lots of holes drilled in them. I guess it depends on your skill level and your willingness to re-build if something doesn't work the way you hoped.
     
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    Welcome to the forum! koi7.gif
     
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    Ok, so I have my rocks, underlament, liner, pump, hole for reservoir dug to 6*3*2. I have my ecoblox diy built but the openings are a tad larger then the rock I have to cover it. I'll loose a bunch through it. Any ideas on a mesh to cover it?
    I also have to come up with a diy pump vault, and waterfall spillway. Any recommendations would be appreciated.
    I plan to have 2 1ft wide streams and probably 15ft long each with 2-3 drops each before the basin.i would say less then 1 in deep. And the elevation rise is 5ft or so. I have a 4000gph pump. Do all me dimensions seem ok?
     
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    You should cover your blocks with geo-grid. It's a landscape product. They use it behind stone retaining walls to keep the dirt from washing out. You can buy it in a few different grid sizes. Any landscape supply store or place that sells rock and gravel will have it. They may even give you a few scrap pieces you can use if you're lucky.
     
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    So, I have everything dug out and placed. I know where I want my spillway. How did y'all figure out how and where to place your rocks and falls?
    I'm having a terrible time coming up with ideas. I change my mind every 3 seconds!!!!
     
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    @Vypr I think we all feel your pain! It’s hard to decide. If you can post some pics of what you’ve got so far, as well as what the surrounding area looks like (how buildings face, etc.), maybe we can help you.
     
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    This is where I'm at now. I'm having a tough time hiding the vertical parts of the liner IMG_20180625_211715_02.jpg IMG_20180625_211715_02.jpg IMG_20180625_211715_01.jpg IMG_20180625_211702_01.jpg IMG_20180625_211705_01.jpg IMG_20180625_211702_02.jpg IMG_20180625_211715_02.jpg IMG_20180625_211715_01.jpg IMG_20180625_211702_01.jpg IMG_20180625_211705_01.jpg IMG_20180625_211702_02.jpg
     
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    Yeah - you're going about it wrong. It's hard to describe the how to's of building a waterfall - much easier to watch. Here's the Ponddigger explaining how to correctly build a waterfall.

     
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    Hrmm.
     
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    If I were going to explain what I see going wrong in your build - you're trying to build the structure of the waterfall from underneath, with your foundation. Your foundation should be neutral, with the rocks giving the waterfall it's shape. Does that make sense?
     
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    I did actually start at the top. But I have such a large drop off. There was a ton of epmd showing down to the reservoir. And the flagstone on the right will have to go away. I don't like it
     
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    No - what I mean is you created a foundation that looks like a waterfall. It should look more like a concave slope to accept the rocks which create the waterfall.

    And if you watch any waterfall build videos, you'll notice they start with framing boulders. A few big rocks look more natural than a pile of small rocks.

    (edited to add: I'm not trying to be critical - just offering suggestions when you still have the opportunity to make some changes.)
     
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    No offense taken. I asked for help.
    So redo the lower part? The top turned out like I wanted. I wanted to split the water two ways.
     
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    Let me ask you this - how do you imagine yourself covering the exposed vertical liner under the flat waterfall rocks?
     
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    I would say to build a waterfall you first need to think....what kind of falls do l want? Some drop off a ledge, big flat rock or a weir and have a curtain of water falling into the pond. You can have this fall from whatever height you desire depending on how strong your pump is.
    Or, you can lay rocks with steps where the water flows nicely over the rocks.
    You could even have both, where my second choice goes first then let the water make a sudden drop.
    I built mine more than a few times before I was satisfied.
    The base of mine, before I used the rocks, was a mound of soil which the pond side was shaped concave so that any water would flow back into the pond. Then I ran my underlayment, then my liner. Then I started applying the rocks. I reached behind the liner and created ledges for the rocks to sit. Then kept stacking the rocks and stepping them back and up. I stacked the rocks so they were locking into each other so the whole thing is stable. Kind of like a brick wall. When you get the flow you want, fill the rest in with more rocks to cover the liner. Make sure you don't use any pointy rocks in case they fall into the pond. You don't want any risk puncturing the liner.
     
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