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I have wanted a pond with waterfall for years, now I'm finally ready to start the project. My space is 13' x 28'. It's next to a raised deck and bay window with a sidewalk on the other side. A 5' waterfall would start just below the bay window heading down toward an 8' x 13' x 2' deep pond that I plan on having plants and goldfish in. That size is based on a 15' x 20' liner which is by far the most cost effective, anything larger goes up dramatically. I will need some help on filters, to skimmer or not to skimmer, pump type and size, because I want a waterfall with sound. I really love the sound of rushing water, but can't find a waterfall picture I think I would be happy with. The more I look and read I change where I'm headed a lot. I would like to start the falls so it looks like it's coming out of the house and down but I really don't want splashing water yet I want the sound of rushing water. The part that intimates me the most is trying to build the waterfall, but I can't or won't afford a contractor, I really want to do it myself. So over the next little while I will be asking for advice and suggestions on everything, but I will try and have an idea where I'm headed before I ask. Thanks in advance for the help, I'm really glad to be here, your the best sight I've found.
 
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Take a pic from inside to see what you may be looking at as the way you make it sound the waterfall will not be visible from inside .Skimmer depends on stuff like leaves and things getting in the pond .I have never had a skimmer but have 2 filters and for pumps I chose laguna because of electric savings and also have a laguna aerator .I did mine myself .I use stock tanks for filters so I can put plants in them also and use lava rock in them and keep my water lines from them in my pond and use sump pump hose.Welcome and others will give you great ideas also
 
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Welcome @Roughinmill
You've found an excellent source for information, full of helpful friendly folks. Your plan sounds lovely!

I think a good starting point, as far as your waterfall is concerned, is to keep researching photos to find what you would really like. Check out the showcases and photos here on the forum, as several members have beautiful set ups. Are you wanting the sound of rushing water to drown out neighborhood noise, or is it just a preference? I ask because the larger the flow of the falls, the higher the costs go for the pump to run it. So that may be something to keep in mind as you come up with your design.

Best of luck with your project, and I hope you will be sure to share your progress here.
 
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Welcome to the forum! :)
 
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Welcome to the GPF! You'll find lots of people happy to answer any question you might have!

Let me ask you one question to get started - from where do you plan to view your pond? If you put the waterfall up against the house and under the window, will you have a spot to sit and enjoy it? One of my favorite views of my pond is from inside my house in the middle of winter.
 
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Welcome! I would suggest searching The Pond Digger videos on You Tube! Lots of great information and tutorials in them!
 
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Welcome @Roughinmill
You've found an excellent source for information, full of helpful friendly folks. Your plan sounds lovely!

I think a good starting point, as far as your waterfall is concerned, is to keep researching photos to find what you would really like. Check out the showcases and photos here on the forum, as several members have beautiful set ups. Are you wanting the sound of rushing water to drown out neighborhood noise, or is it just a preference? I ask because the larger the flow of the falls, the higher the costs go for the pump to run it. So that may be something to keep in mind as you come up with your design.

Best of luck with your project, and I hope you will be sure to share your progress here.
Just a preference I live in the country so nature is the major sound. I failed to give my location, i live in North Alabama, I just don't want a wimpy waterfall I want to hear it. I built a small wishing well for my daughter 6 or 7 years ago it's setting close to where i plan the pond, i love the sound of the water falling just wanted to step it up a notch.
 
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Take a pic from inside to see what you may be looking at as the way you make it sound the waterfall will not be visible from inside .Skimmer depends on stuff like leaves and things getting in the pond .I have never had a skimmer but have 2 filters and for pumps I chose laguna because of electric savings and also have a laguna aerator .I did mine myself .I use stock tanks for filters so I can put plants in them also and use lava rock in them and keep my water lines from them in my pond and use sump pump hose.Welcome and others will give you great ideas also
Okay I will and I'll make a drawing on graph paper so you can see what I have envisioned in my mind.
I'm working midnight's so it may be a day or so before I can get to all of that but thanks for the suggestion
 
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Welcome, looking forward to seeing how the pond progresses.
 
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Welcome to the GPF! You'll find lots of people happy to answer any question you might have!

Let me ask you one question to get started - from where do you plan to view your pond? If you put the waterfall up against the house and under the window, will you have a spot to sit and enjoy it? One of my favorite views of my pond is from inside my house in the middle of winter.
I'm afraid I won't be able to see much from the house but I have a deck and I also plan to maybe place a cedar swing in the same space as my pond where I'll be able to sit and listen and look from there my youngest daughter loves to read I thought the swing would be a great place for her to go outside sit enjoy the sounds of the water and read
Welcome to our group!

Take pictures of where you want your pond to be. We can visualize it better.
 
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one issue you have is your electrical service check with you local building codes they may frown on a pond on top of your service
 
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one issue you have is your electrical service check with you local building codes they may frown on a pond on top of your service
The joy of country living, there are no codes where i live, but the total length from deck to concrete is around 28 feet so i do plan to stop well short of the end. The service runs at a 45 degree angle under the concrete toward the right in the pic looking back to the house. Thanks though it is something i need to keep in mind.
 
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The pictures are a great help. One thing I did when designing our ponds was I took the images over into the paint program on my computer, and I drew in my design ideas over the photos. It's even more fun if you have paint 3D or photoshop...

Observing your photos... Is that a foundation vent I see under the bay window? And I can't make out the square item on the wall to the right of the windows ?. Anyway, just throwing out an idea...as I'm not really seeing a 5' waterfall in this space... What about moving the waterfall to the space where the middle shrub is against the deck? That may give you a good place to conceal, yet still access, the waterfall spillway or filter falls unit (whatever you plan to use), and you could view the falls from the bay window. Maybe if you can't get the 5' height, a shorter falls over a couple "rapids" may give you the sound you're after... Then a pool ending before it gets in too close to your electrical service, but keeping a walkway available for meter access. I imagine your meter is probably read electronically, as ours is, but the electric company will still need access to that meter for repairs or to upgrade equipment. And I would imagine there is most likely a grounding rod, or series of rods, somewhere close to this area?

Are there any other plumbing or utilities under this space? 811 if unsure.
 
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The pictures are a great help. One thing I did when designing our ponds was I took the images over into the paint program on my computer, and I drew in my design ideas over the photos. It's even more fun if you have paint 3D or photoshop...

Observing your photos... Is that a foundation vent I see under the bay window? And I can't make out the square item on the wall to the right of the windows ?. Anyway, just throwing out an idea...as I'm not really seeing a 5' waterfall in this space... What about moving the waterfall to the space where the middle shrub is against the deck? That may give you a good place to conceal, yet still access, the waterfall spillway or filter falls unit (whatever you plan to use), and you could view the falls from the bay window. Maybe if you can't get the 5' height, a shorter falls over a couple "rapids" may give you the sound you're after... Then a pool ending before it gets in too close to your electrical service, but keeping a walkway available for meter access. I imagine your meter is probably read electronically, as ours is, but the electric company will still need access to that meter for repairs or to upgrade equipment. And I would imagine there is most likely a grounding rod, or series of rods, somewhere close to this area?

Are there any other plumbing or utilities under this space? 811 if unsure.
I do plan to call before i dig, but I'm relatively sure all utilities are in the last few feet. Yes that is a vent under the window, and the white small square just right of the window up 4 feet or so is the laundry vent, then behind the rose bush is crawl space access ( FYI not the best place for a rose bush) then electrical meter.
 
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I'm just going to throw out there that your space does not really lend itself to a five foot high waterfall. I mean, you can do it, but the end result in my opinion will be out of scale with your space. You can create the sound of rushing water without creating such a high drop.
 
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I do plan to call before i dig, but I'm relatively sure all utilities are in the last few feet. Yes that is a vent under the window, and the white small square just right of the window up 4 feet or so is the laundry vent, then behind the rose bush is crawl space access ( FYI not the best place for a rose bush) then electrical meter.
So you will obviously have to leave more of an access space into that area, and be prepared for heat and dryer lint blow out into your water feature... You say this space is 28' long? Anyway, another thing to be aware of, no mater what the placement or height of your waterfall, is that to create the louder flow you're looking for will also mean that there is a larger volume of water entering the pool. This will create a great deal of flow that your plants and goldfish might not appreciate. While the fish will enjoy a romp through the fast moving water, they also need a "quiet" space, and several of the more popular pond plants will not do well in a heavy current. Based on the scale of the photos, including the set backs for utilities and access spaces, I'm not seeing enough space to do that without building some sort of baffle in the pool. Unless you mean that the pond will be extending beyond what is visible in the pictures?

One last thought, if fish aren't a big priority to the feature, perhaps a pondless waterfall would suit the space?

Good luck with your project.
 
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One thing I did notice is your electric meter and phone box do not block them and have access to them for the companies or they can fine you .Plus call dig safe because they may have codes on distance to the underground utility wires in the pipes to to be accessed .You sure don't want them digging up half the pond to access it if something happens .Not sure how you will take this but I would make it partially above ground to make it more visible ,but it won't look natural that way ,So not sure about that either .Do you want natural look
 

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