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There are no if ands or buts about it galvanized tanks leach zinc which is toxic to fish. Not on acute level but it can bioaccumulate causing chronic health issues with the fish kept in them overtime. You can get 1000-2500 gallon tanks made out of fish safe material that aren’t really much more expensive.
 

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There are no if ands or buts about it galvanized tanks leach zinc which is toxic to fish. Not on acute level but it can bioaccumulate causing chronic health issues with the fish kept in them overtime. You can get 1000-2500 gallon tanks made out of fish safe material that aren’t really much more expensive.
I didn’t know that could happen! I had fish I think here for almost a year! And haven’t had problems with fish health other than bad water quality
 
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I would like to answer as someone who has a 160 gallon galavanized stock tank, with plants, a previusly housed koi int it ( IK KIKES! )

first thing, I have had not problems with the galvanized material, and as long as I leave the algea coating on the walls no fish problems

second thing, plants and algae, I have mine in full shade, and no algae growth, though plant life is slightly harder to find

third thing, KOI. I treated it like it was a pond, and wala here I am with some unhealthy goldfish in rehab, and some growth stunted koi that were on the verge of some very negative health affects. a galvanized stock tank of this size IS NOT A POND! it is so small that is it not an uncommon aquarium size, and therefore needs t be treated as one, it needs water changes EVERY TWO WEEKS with any fish life to keep everything healthy, and also, my koi didn't even grow and inch while being in that pond, they could dart from side to side faster than I can say koi, and now with a bigger home, they have already had noticeable growth in just ONE WEEK!

to conclude, get rid of all animal life in that thing, and slowly add only a few GOLDFISH then treat it as an aquarium, not a pond!

you can veiw my stock tank pond here: https://www.gardenpondforum.com/threads/hello-from-unpredictable-colorado.27526/

You contradict yourself many times in that post.

You said you had no problems with the galvanizing as long as you left the algae coating. Then later you say it was in full shade with no algae growth!

You say you had no fish problems, then later you say you had unhealthy goldfish and the koi were stunted and on the verge of very negative health!

So, do you really think the galvanizing is not a problem? Your doing constant water changes...why? To dilute the zinc contamination? The health of your fish is a disaster and that tank is ridiculously too small for even one koi.

Put a liner in that thing already and rehome the koi.
 

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You contradict yourself many times in that post.

You said you had no problems with the galvanizing as long as you left the algae coating. Then later you say it was in full shade with no algae growth!

You say you had no fish problems, then later you say you had unhealthy goldfish and the koi were stunted and on the verge of very negative health!

So, do you really think the galvanizing is not a problem? Your doing constant water changes...why? To dilute the zinc contamination? The health of your fish is a disaster and that tank is ridiculously too small for even one koi.

Put a liner in that thing already and rehome the koi.
man! no fish are in that thing, they all have a good sized pond, outdoors, and they are in better health now,

the algea was meant as free floating, not the natrual coating,

the fish were in negative health because at first I wasent doing constant water changes

hope that helps clarify everything for you
 
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man! no fish are in that thing, they all have a good sized pond, outdoors, and they are in better health now,

the algea was meant as free floating, not the natrual coating,

the fish were in negative health because at first I wasent doing constant water changes

hope that helps clarify everything for you
Glad to hear your fish are doing better in a bigger pond! I'm sure that's a big relief.
 

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Glad to hear your fish are doing better in a bigger pond! I'm sure that's a big relief.
yup! if you wanna go see my pond expansion thread here it is:

right now the pond is still a bit small for koi, so I am expanding it an a couple of weeks!
 
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If you are serious about keeping koi, koiphen.com is the best source for information, in my opinion. Spend a few days there reading and getting some honest and true information about keeping those fish. Spoiler alert--it won't be cheap, but there are ways to keep and keep them well if you are in any way handy to build some of the equipment yourself.
 
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hi, thanks for reaching out. I’m just very worried. My plan was to locate a huge container tank ASAP. I never thought full grown koi could live in 175 gallons. If you look the topic of stock tank ponds up, lots of people seem to manage fine. I thought it was just me, so I’ve been crushed.

* 175 gallons, 3 feet deep, 2feet wide, 6 feet long steel tank made by Behlens
* water lilies, anachoris, mosaic plants, water ferns, water hyacinths
*currently using 560 Gbh pump pond filter with a UV water clarifier - supposed to handle up to 1200 gallons
* source water is very hard, ph 7.5

i started being interest by something that linked to Pinterest, but my research has been with aquarium specialists and pond people, not DYI make a cute pond. I just don’t know what to do next. I am trying to see what I’m going wrong with the filter. Should I have it IN or OUT of the water?
Welcome and good luck with everything. I love mosaic plants in a pond, so intricate.
 
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Whether or not the pump and filter go in or out of the pond depends on the type of filter you have. If you have a Total Pond Pressurized filter, it goes outside the pond.

If you are wanting to keep 8 koi, you are going to need much, much more space, like 8,000 gallons of water, as Mrsclem said. That's a big pond, and an expensive one to build. They grow fast when properly cared for.

Meanwhile, you still need to put a liner in that galvanzied steel tank. Or, if you are in an area that doesn't freeze (I see you are in southern California) you can get an Intex pool at a very reasonable price. I have bought them with damaged boxes for as little as $60 to $80 dollars for a 1,000 to 1,800 gallon pool. That would give your fish a nice home for a while longer, but it won't be a permanent home for that many fish.

The pools and equipment are perfect, just the boxes are a bit beaten up. But if the water in one of those pools freezes, it will be done for, and the pump and filter are useless for a pond. So that might be something you would want to look into. You can use the filter you have with one and just plug the holes for their own hoses. Those plugs come with the pool and I do that with mine.

One other thing. Turtles eat fish. I don't know if that is true for all turtles and I have seen ponds where they seem to co-exist, but I wouldn't want to take that chance with mine.

Sorry you got taken in by inaccurate information. It's easy to do and I'm sure we have all fallen for poor advice.
 
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Hi there, all. I've lurked here before, but I haven't posted before. This spring, I was bewitched by a Pinterest post that showed amazing water gardens and ponds made from galvanized stock tanks. I guess the supposed ease and simplicity described ought to have been my first warning, but like I said, I was bewitched! I couldn't get myhands on one of the big boys, the 6-8' ones that holds in excess of 1,000 gallons, but I got one that is 175 gallons, oval not round, 3 feet deep, 2 feet wide and 6 feet long. This is my lifelong dream, and I started in on my reading and research.

I'm an avid gardener in southern california, and I have always had aquariums, so I thought I was ahead of the game to start. WOW, was i WRONG and did i have a lot to learn!! The first "pins" i read said full sun, no filtration needed. My container is a high quality one, no leaks or issues. I thought my inhabitants were modest. 8 2" long koi, some teeny tadpoles a few narite snails for algae control and 2 baby water turtles. I already had water plants, but I got lots more of different types. I knew about testing my water, so I thought I would knock this out of the park. Not so much. From the start 3 months ago, it was Instant murk, instant green. I started out with no filter, but a little fountain pump. I had water lilies, and a few different floating surface plants, some bottom oxygenating plants and a few marginal plants that like wet ankles.

I have river rock and cinderblocks for plants and internal hiding spots. I knew we have very hard water here, so I monitored my water levels very closely and could make very little sense of them. Everything got green, murky and cloudy. I saw stories about people making their own filters and invested in my first pond pump. I think it moved like 200 GPH. I wrapped a pump inside a planting box with a combination of activated carbon and whatever pieces of aquarium filter sheeting and put the whole thing inside poly quilt batting. Weighted it down and hoped for glory. Not glorious. My PH levels were consistently on the high side. I know own five different testing kits - strips and liquid, and none of them agree with one another. I suspect it's a nitrogen cycle thing, but sometimes I showed highish ammonia levels, but the nitrite and nitrate showed as in the good range. I went out and bought a stronger pump that moves 560 GPH. I have been through barley straw, peat and every chemical made by Tetra and API to neutralize ammonia, stabilize PH, you name it. All of which was hard to come by during a pandemic quarantine. I've added more sources of oxygen, reduced my oxygenation, moved to shade, put up a huge umbrella. I've lost my tadpoles, and one resultant frog, but turtles and fish endure. I've been doing partial water changes every other day for weeks now. It just won't stabilize.

Two days ago, i bought a total pond brand water filter with UV clarifier. Read all the paperwork, watched every Total Pond video, checked on You Tube. Couldn't get the UV to light. Returned and replaced the unit yesterday and set it up yet again. Crystal clear last night, good test results with the API master test kit. Today, it's again Murky City, USA. I can't get through to Total Pond, and I seem to know more about the chemistry than the sweet guy at my local pond store. Can someone please give me some hope? Thanks, flexney in SoCal.

PS: FWIW, I have two much smaller "ponds" also in galvanized tubs. about 20 and 30 gallons each. I set those up with just a tiny canister filter and they are crystal clear and lovely planted gardens with fish.
Hi and welcome! You have come to the right place. There are a lot of nice and also very knowledgeable people on this forum that will be glad to help you. I have been on this forum 10 years. In my opinion the advice you will get here is vastly superior to any other source on the internet. Good luck with your new pond!
 

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