Pond Extension Questions

[griffey99]

Hello All,

I've always enjoy the aqua life and finally have to the to work with them.
I currently have a pond that already exists when the house was purchased and I do not posses any paperwork about the current water system.
I'm thinking about extending the pond to about triple the size.
current pond picture 1
entire space picture 2
current stage picture 3

Right now the pond is about 4'x4'x1.5'
the entire space is about 15'x8' of course the final pond will be much smaller that since I'll be living space out on the side.
there's a geofall the filtration box next to it. I was able to access the filtration system.
My goal is to extend the pond with out messing with the geofall and the filtration system if possible.
The Plan right now is dig the space out next to the existing pond, attach now liner to the current one, and set rocks and bolder down in the new space.

Question - Do I need to change anything on the system side?
and I'd like to have turtles and coys in the pond, what adjustment do I need to make.

Thank you guys.

 

[addy1]

Welcome to our forum!

The biggest issue I see with what you want to do is attaching a new piece of liner to the old liner. It is a very hard task to do unless you can lay the liners out flat, clean well etc.

Here is a tread about attaching a new piece of liner.

Seaming EPDM liner

Seaming is not difficult but it does require some foresight and thought. Hopefully this list will help you to create a seam that will last for many, many years, issue free. If you can seam your liners in a driveway or somewhere flat that is by far your best option. The method below is how I...

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[j.w]

@griffey99
That will look very nice enlarged in that area but I would suggest you put Shubunkin type of goldfish in there for the look of koi but smaller. Koi need much more room than that area will provide. Shubunkin are beautiful calico type etc. colors. I love them!
The picture below makes the fish look much bigger than it really is.
Here is a nice looking spotted one w/a very long tail:

 

[JRS]

Welcome!

 

[griffey99]

Welcome to our forum!

The biggest issue I see with what you want to do is attaching a new piece of liner to the old liner. It is a very hard task to do unless you can lay the liners out flat, clean well etc.

Here is a tread about attaching a new piece of liner.

Seaming EPDM liner

Seaming is not difficult but it does require some foresight and thought. Hopefully this list will help you to create a seam that will last for many, many years, issue free. If you can seam your liners in a driveway or somewhere flat that is by far your best option. The method below is how I...

www.gardenpondforum.com

Hello Addy1, thank you so much for you reply.
I've watch the video you provided me and I have all the necessarily tool to handle the seeming of the liner.
I've also prepared a flat surface which I can set down between the old pond and the newly dug hole.
Hopefully everything goes according to plan.
I'll keep you posted on the progress.

 

[griffey99]

View attachment 128987@griffey99
That will look very nice enlarged in that area but I would suggest you put Shubunkin type of goldfish in there for the look of koi but smaller. Koi need much more room than that area will provide. Shubunkin are beautiful calico type etc. colors. I love them!
The picture below makes the fish look much bigger than it really is.
Here is a nice looking spotted one w/a very long tail:

View attachment 128988

Hello J.W, thank you for the reply.
I love the way this koi looked and thank you so much for your sugguestion.
I'll look into where I can acquire them in my area.

 

[griffey99]

Welcome!

Hello JRS,

Thank you you so much

 

[j.w]

Hello J.W, thank you for the reply.
I love the way this koi looked and thank you so much for your sugguestion.
I'll look into where I can acquire them in my area.

Remember tho that is not a koi it is a type of goldfish called a Shubunkin.
Here are a few more of them:

 

[addy1]

This is a collection of shubunkins I have in our pond.

 

[griffey99]

Remember tho that is not a koi it is a type of goldfish called a Shubunkin.
Here are a few more of them:
View attachment 129006

Noted,
I live in California and the weather is pretty stable all year round.
low 60s and high 80s is the temperature I can expect through out the year depending on the season.
and we do have a lot of predators like raccoons(I'm having trouble dealing with), birds and peacocks.
do you think the fish is ok with the environment?

 

[griffey99]

Day 2 progress

 

[griffey99]

I've done more research and I think I currently have 2 filtration systems.
but I'm a bit confuse on the set up.
1 is the biofall - water fall filter
1 is skimmer box that catches the leaves and the flower pedals.
but inside the skimmer box it looks like there's a in-pond filter.

is this going to be efficient for the new pond?

 

[j.w]

Predators will be a problem. You will prolly need a net to keep them out. You may need something more to keep out the raccoons tho. I have a net up high on stakes and it drapes down to a shorter wire fence to keep out the raccoons. They can be a real pain. I don't have a skimmer so can't help ya there. Sounds like you have a good filter system.

 

[JRS]

You only have one pump correct? Think of the skimmer as a prefilter for the pump. It traps the large debris to prevent it from clogging the pump. The water then goes to your biofilter and back to the pond.

 

[griffey99]

Predators will be a problem. You will prolly need a net to keep them out. You may need something more to keep out the raccoons tho. I have a net up high on stakes and it drapes down to a shorter wire fence to keep out the raccoons. They can be a real pain. I don't have a skimmer so can't help ya there. Sounds like you have a good filter system.

I was going to put up the electric wire but the way my pond is laid out prevent me from doing so.
with the water fall in place, I cannot surround the entire pond.
do you have a suggestion on what else I can do?