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I do not envy you true Northerners. Heat is so much simpler to deal with than ice-over. I fell that bottom-line your aim should be to devise a method that will work for you that will maintain some water/atmosphere interface (hole in the ice).
Although some oxygenation does occur at the surface of the air bubbles generated by sub-surface aeration, the amount is quite small when compared to what occurs at the interface as a result of water turbulence created by these same bubbles.
I also had a floating heater that did keep some ice open but at -25 C or colder it froze over and the airbreather froze also.
 

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I rarely have any trouble but then I designed my ponds to run all winter and having split levels is the best way to winter fish. The upper level ponds, the water level never drops below the ice, so the water movement eats the ice away very quick, unlike the bottom pond. The bottom pond is just for small fish as it gets lots of thick ice but the upper three connecting ponds rarely get ice over two inches thick, and then the upper ponds always have air holes open created by water friction right against the ice. It really works super well and I get away with one heater for all four ponds!
I see lots of people have big fancy pond with underwater drains and pipes all over, but those would freeze here, so all my hoses are under water in ponds. No need to drain with split level ponds as the waste gets all washed down to big Yellow flag. Although the Yellow Flag water iris is now officially declared a bad weed, but I'm keeping mine cause it falls under the "grandfather" clause cause I had it so long I get to keep it. He he he, just kidding... They can come try to remove it, good luck with that cause it's too darn big now!
 

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I rarely have any trouble but then I designed my ponds to run all winter and having split levels is the best way to winter fish. The upper level ponds, the water level never drops below the ice, so the water movement eats the ice away very quick, unlike the bottom pond. The bottom pond is just for small fish as it gets lots of thick ice but the upper three connecting ponds rarely get ice over two inches thick, and then the upper ponds always have air holes open created by water friction right against the ice. It really works super well and I get away with one heater for all four ponds!
I see lots of people have big fancy pond with underwater drains and pipes all over, but those would freeze here, so all my hoses are under water in ponds. No need to drain with split level ponds as the waste gets all washed down to big Yellow flag. Although the Yellow Flag water iris is now officially declared a bad weed, but I'm keeping mine cause it falls under the "grandfather" clause cause I had it so long I get to keep it. He he he, just kidding... They can come try to remove it, good luck with that cause it's too darn big now!
You have a nice system that works for you! Me I can't seem to have any plants that thrive & grow or flower besides some variated iris. I use no salt.
 
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You have a nice system that works for you! Me I can't seem to have any plants that thrive & grow or flower besides some variated iris. I use no salt.
Thanks Wayne. . I think you have to find what will grow well for you and your conditions. Keep trying other plants, maybe some bull rushes would work good for you as they are natural to your area. If you get lots of sun then you can have lots of rushes.

I got this Yerba Mansa that flowers and smells so wonderful a couple years back and it runs on surface of water and in shallow rocks. Just love it and very hardy. Give this a try https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anemopsis
 
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First ice over day this year, Nov 6, using aerators.
Not that much difference from previous years using heaters, pond breathers or pumps.

I think the only thing that would really extend my ice free time would be a pond cover, but for a 30 x 30 pond that gets a lot of wind and snow, it's just not practical.


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Pretty! and we were 71f today.............21.8C 15 degrees above normal

My pond climbed back up to 14.4c 58f
 

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I was going through this thread looking at the pics you posted since you started your pond. You live in a beautiful place, but I could not take all the cold, snow and ice. :eek: We only have about 2 really bad months a year as far as cold, snow and ice, and I hate it! :(
 
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Today is ice free day this year.

2017 April 12

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What a brutal winter this was!
April 27 and I still have some ice that extends 3 feet below the surface!
All I see survived are some minnows so far. I doubt that any goldfish survived.:(
Disaster, right? What fish are able to survive 7 months under the ice?
I'm glad I didn't go too crazy with developing the pond from the start. Mother nature is in charge, not me.
I found a local contractor with better equipment than I have and we're going to remove the liner and go with a soil bottom and plant it with native plants with a dry river bed that collects rain runoff from our metal roof.

Crap. I hate to see wildlife perish while under my care.
The pond aerators though, kept running the whole winter. I credit the thick, weighted airline for that. The air pump only used 75 watts as a bonus.
I wasn't able to have the pond breathers running, but if my ice reached 4 or more feet thick, I don't think even they would have lasted through this past winter.
My pond is currently 5 feet deep, maybe I'll go for 6 or 7 feet deep for next winter. The aerators will work that deep.
The new dimensions will probably be 40 feet by 40 feet. Way too big for a pond cover.
I'll post any construction pics as we go, of course.
Pond picture from today, air temperature 22C/72F but forecast says we may get some snow tomorrow.
I see a plant pot got blown in during one of our storms, or the guy that clears our driveway accidentally caught one and it wound up where it is.


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Wow, Mitch you still have that much ice. Brutal is right. Sorry on your fish but that is some tough conditions. The new plan sound awesome. I would love a natural soil bottom. 40 x 40 is a great size too. Please keep us posted. I will follow this with great interest.
 
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Thanks Rob.
Although, if I think this situation through a bit more, I wonder if the aerators actually caused the ice to thicken more than it would have if I used the breathers only.
The aeration is great for circulation and moving water, but perhaps if I allowed a solid ice cap to form early by using the breathers only, maybe the earth would have retained heat longer and the ice would not have formed so thick.
I welcome any thoughts people may have.
The earth has a lot of heat retained from the summer months, but perhaps the aeration and water movement released that heat from all the water circulation.
Hmmm.
 
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Well our weather is different for sure but this year I upgraded my air pump and it circulated the water more then what I have used in years past due to the larger size. This was one of the coldest we have had. I did not develop any thinker ice then in the past. I never used breathers so I have no comparison there. But you could be on to something seeing your conditions are that more severe.
 

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Wow. Ice still 3 feet thick. I am going to stop complaining about my long crappy winter. ;)

Interesting thought about the aerator. My winter gets no where close to yours, but I thought the aerator helped keep the ice thinner on my pond. I know the ice melts much faster in the spring with it.

I am really interested in following your new pond build. When do you think you will start on it?
 
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We have been colder in previous winters, this past winter I think we only got down to -30 something, so that wasn't extreme.
I could be wrong about the aerators, but I do know that open water will lose more heat than having a pond cover or ice cap.
The ice was much thicker this year for some reason. My pond has even been ice free by the end of March in previous years.
Thanks.
 

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