Question about adding Zyme

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  1. Gemma

    brokensword Not all those who wander are lost

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    gemma;

    thank you; sometimes I wish it were more 'open air' like most of the ponds but I will say, all the predator/leaves in my pond/kids/deer eating lilies threads make me glad my pond isn't! I guess all ponds have their inherent beauty and tranquility. I was just hoping you can see that all you really need is some water movement, basic filtration, and lots of plants! You should be able to keep alive more plant varieties than me, so I envy your more southerly latitude, even only if its a small amount.

    Michael
     
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    brokensword Not all those who wander are lost

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    Thanks, MS; I appreciate the kind words! I screened in the pond mainly because I didn't want to battle the mosquitoes, and I water the lawn/gardens regularly. I think there's pics on the 'before and after' thread...somewhere.

    I try to avoid all the make your pond bigger' threads as I KNOW I could but probably shouldn't. Still, mentioned earlier this summer to my wife that all it would take is extending out the southerly wall and adding in a couple extension wall pieces. Well, that's not all but I TRIED to make it sound really really simple, ya know?;)

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    I won't enter the conversation regarding the use of additives, but I will say your growing season is not what I would consider "short". You have a longer growing season than we do here in 5B and I rely on plants to keep my pond in balance as do all the other pond owners I know in my zone.

    If you want to see a short growing season, talk to @MitchM !
     
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    Thank you for your reply, you've inspired me to try different things, next year!


    " I envy your more southerly latitude, even only if its a small amount."
    Might be less than you think, since different searches I just did, resulted in different Hardiness Zone
     
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    brokensword Not all those who wander are lost

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    You're welcome, gemma. I actually LIKE looking for new/different plants for the pond, both for filtering purposes as well as 'texture'. For me, the different plants help make a pond what it is. My wife likes the water lilies and I tend to like stuff like parrots feather, Egyptian papyrus, the various iris, WL and WH (which this year, the fish are ravishing; I had to cordon some away or I'd not have what i do!). Anyway, think of this as both good for you as well as a safari for plants!

    Michael
     
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    @brokensword Is your pond shaded?
    With all those plants, don't you have a problem with over population?

    I really do miss my Lilies! I'm thinking the fish only go after the tender new growth of the Lilies, so next Spring, I could try using crates! I could tip one over at the bottom of the pond, to reduce the depth, then stack another one on top to put the pot in, and cover it!.... or better yet I could set the pot right on top of the one tipped over, and tip a second crate over the pot...I imagine it would have to have large enough holes for the branches and buds to go through, but it should work right?
     
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    gemma; my pond has various shade, meaning that as the sun moves east to west, each end of the pond gets shaded for a bit. The lilies still bloom, so I'm figuring I'm still getting them enough sunshine. I have my lilies all within 18" or so from the surface, either on a shelf or 'suspended' by trimmer twine. For the winter, I sink most to the bottom. And I do thin the plant herd sometimes, but it used to be mainly the floaters. Not this year as the fish are doing it for me. In the fall, I'll cut back the iris as I don't want them to get out of hand. I keep them either in the bog or in a pot. The 'specialty' iris I let go as they are not nearly as aggressive. I try to overwinter some of the plants so I don't have to totally go 'naked' once spring arrives. Like you, I have to wait until about the third week of May before I can get the more tender specimens into the pond.

    My fish seem to go for the tender roots of the floaters (this year especially) and parrots feather when it moves from the stream into the pond proper. Then there's the monkey flower; it typically grows on the bank and as it gets heavy, sinks to the pond where it'll continue to grow--not this year as the fish have taken care of that, as well. Saved me the effort of having to trim it back (as I usually have to do). I also have some hornwort (oxygenator plant) growing and I can see they're keeping that trimmed. I guess what I'm saying is if you have enough plants, you won't miss some that get eaten and you'll still have the benefit of their growing/filtering.

    I've not tried putting crates over any plants but would assume if there's enough room, that the lily should put up leaves, but it wouldn't be my first option. Give your fish something better/easier and I bet they'll leave your lilies alone. I haven't heard of too many on the forum that have had gf bother their lilies. Even my turtles are leaving them alone, so they too must be getting better snacks somewhere!

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    ZEROPILOT Faster than you are.

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    The bacteria that I introduced to my 1,400 gallon system came in a refridgerated bottle and was sold as live bacteria. It was quite expensive, but touted you can ad fish right away.
    I already has 2 fishes in the pond and I'd been running the pumps, etc for about a week.
    My numbers were all over the place. Ammonia level at 2.0 and high nitrite.
    Fast forward to four days ago. I used the liquid, refridgerated bottle, poured right into my pump intake and the next day my numbers had changed.
    They are nitrate and nitrite no trace. Strange, i though. No high nitrate? Ammonia under 《0.25. (The lowest on my test kit) and PH holding at 8.1.
    Now, some of this was because my system was already cycling, but part of this would seem to be that bottle of live bacteria.
     
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    The Fritz-zyme liquid is one of the few true products that contains the live Nitrifying bacteria. As the man said: "It do work! Sho 'nuff!".
     
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    use koi clay it is safer and regular kitty litter is similar but not as pure .I also use zeolite to control ammonia and crushed oyster shells to hold ph stable
     
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    ZEROPILOT Faster than you are.

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    I just "fished" the bottle out of the garbage.
    Sure enough....it's Fritz.
    Thanks!
     

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    ZEROPILOT Faster than you are.

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    I have crushed coral sachet bags in my cichlid aquariums and I'm going to ad one to my waterfall box.
    Crushed coral is very cheap and easy to find here. My house is built on reclaimed Everglades swamp land.
    My pond had gone slightly acidic for a few days. I don't know if it is due to rainwater, or something else. I added some baking soda and swapped out some water.
     
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    Baking soda makes it more acidic at least I think it does and can raise ph .I have seen it on here several times
     
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    Baking soda is alkaline, pH above 7, maybe as high as 9. I think it is used to buffer the water. @ZEROPILOT , did you test ammonia, nitrite, nitrate? I don't think it should be swinging for the size and be careful not to have a pH crash.
     
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    I use FritzZyme® 7 when I started my pond and was able to add fish right away. I also add some whenever I clean the filter.
     
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    ZEROPILOT Faster than you are.

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    My PH DID go off for a while.
    What might have caused that?
    Baking soda is super alkaline and I use it periodically in my fish tanks if the ph gets low before a water change.
    It doesn't buffer too well, but it will raise alkalinity very quickly and lower acidity. Even too quickly if not careful.
     
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    ZEROPILOT Faster than you are.

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    Yes.
    I test every two days.
     
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    ZEROPILOT Faster than you are.

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    It also gets rid of acid in the stomach if you wake up with heartburn.
     
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    First I should say water chemistry for me
    Is still a lot of guess work. Do you use city water? Maybe it doesn't have much buffer in it? Maybe get a GH KH API test kit, cheep on amazon, dr foster smith and chewy. I read a lot of good things about using baking soda, but not necessarily by experts, to stabilize. I heard you could use plaster of Paris back in the day but that it isn't made the same and many brands on the market have harmful or undisclosed chemicals. I started using Tetra pond water balance, I don't know if it's good bad or useless but it is supposed to stabilize pH and KH. The primary ingredients are fruit acids and iron salts. I only add it when a do a good filter cleaning and water change. Probably something better out there.
    I'm guessing all that concrete silt was keeping the water buffered and pH high so maybe why you are seeing it drop.
     
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    Koi clay will help adsorb phosphate, which will help with hair/string algae issues.

    Baking soda makes it more alkaline, actually.;)

    Crushed oyster shells are only effective once the PH drops below 7. Otherwise they remain in tact and ready to buffer the water chemistry.

    Bottomline - baking soda, zeolite and crushed oyster shells are helpful additions to a freshwater pond.

    (y)

    Zeolite will eventually become useless and clog up with detritus, so don't leave it in if your ammonia levels are healthy.
     
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