Questions about my next pond


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I do have a bathtub pond w/no filter and just a little aquarium air pump bubbling a little. I refresh it tho w/water on a timer every day in Summer. Just top it off,not a full refill. I noticed a few tadpoles and a frog in there the other day. I also have my little duck weed pond and it stays clear I guess. You can't see anything as the whole top is full of duckweed. I'm sure the frogs use that one also.
 
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Why not fathead minnows, a.ka. Rosy Reds?
Any suggestions on the best place to get these? I wouldn't want a gazillion, and would like them to be healthy, if possible. I don't know if they are only sold as feeder fish, and in large quantity?
Can you see I'm putting the cart before the horse? (Or the fish before the pond?). LOL
 
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I do have a bathtub pond w/no filter and just a little aquarium air pump bubbling a little. I refresh it tho w/water on a timer every day in Summer. Just top it off,not a full refill. I noticed a few tadpoles and a frog in there the other day. I also have my little duck weed pond and it stays clear I guess. You can't see anything as the whole top is full of duckweed. I'm sure the frogs use that one also.
I was looking on Amazon and found some air stone "bubblers" with small solar panels. It's nice to know that's an option if I decide I need some aeration!
 
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It's hard to say for sure. It's way at the back of the property, though. I think it might be lower, technically. My existing pond is out front.
My point in asking is..... if the new pond was a higher elevation you could tap into the pressure side of your pump and temporarily put a valve and hose to your new pond and let gravity feed back via a hose....it would give you a little water flow to your new pond to keep it from stagnation and also benefit from all the plants eating all the “Nasty “..... that your fish produce...... this could be tested by using water hoses.....just a thought
 
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@Jimmy Gibson -- that's a great idea and one I would totally consider if the set up was right. But the new pond is lower (we checked) and quite a long way away from the existing pond. Our lot is long and skinny.
PS -- I LOVE Tennessee! My favorite state! If I won the big lottery I'd want to buy up a bunch of land in the Smokies and keep safe from development. Spent many childhood summers in Townsend, Gatlinburg, Pigeon Forge -- before anything was even there.
 
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Any suggestions on the best place to get these? I wouldn't want a gazillion, and would like them to be healthy, if possible. I don't know if they are only sold as feeder fish, and in large quantity?
Can you see I'm putting the cart before the horse? (Or the fish before the pond?). LOL
I can get them at my pond store at 3x the price of the pet stores that sell them more as feeders. But if that was the only thing you are putting in your pond, why worry too much about feeders. You can quarantine them in a tub for a few weeks if you like
 
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Sounds like you've moved away from the mosquito fish (gambusia) idea, but I wanted to add this for future readers - Meyer Jordan, who shared so much great pond knowledge with us here - quoted some research on a few occasions that showed that mosquito fish don't really do all that much for mosquitoes. It's rather a myth that has somehow managed to become a "fact". If I can find one of his posts, I'll link it here.
 
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Here we go - I apparently quoted him in another post, so here is me quoting him!

"Here it is. @Meyer Jordan posted this when the question came up about the value of adding gambusia to a pond:

Although the use of Gambusia (Mosquito fish) has been touted by many to be a good specie for the control of mosquito larvae, the facts do little to support this claim. In truth, common Goldfish and even Koi offer more complete control as they are able to prey on the largest of mosquito larvae. Add to this the fact that Gambusia much prefer dining on the zooplankton in a body of water, the eggs and larvae of other fish and even their own young actually imparts more negativity to the impact that they have on an aquatic environment. Often in ponds that have a large population of Gambusia (there is no other size due to their rapid rate of reproduction), Green Water conditions are more likely to occur and be more severe because of the absence of the zooplankton that utilize algae as food.
These two (2) links will provide the complete factual picture of these most troublesome fish."

http://www.gambusia.net/

https://nas.er.usgs.gov/queries/FactSheet.aspx?SpeciesID=846
 
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@Lisak1 - thank you! I sort of remembered something like that. That gambusia were a bad idea - thank you for verifying!
@EricV - you are right - if nobody else is in the pond, I guess I don't have anything to lose with feeder minnows.
Now I just need to find a pile of money under the bed and I can get going!!!! :LOL:
 
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Every time I move I build a new pond and never had pumps in them. Don't do mosquito fish as they eat frog eggs and tadpoles by nipping chunks out of them till they die a slow death. They are illegal here for that reason. Build it and they will come, the frogs that is. Just make sure the pond only gets 5 to 6 hours of sun per day maximum in summer to limit algae growth and a good balance of plants, boggy patch for bees, a way for animals to get out if they fall in and a shallow rock for birds to bathe. Be aware it will get noisy at night. We have double glazing and still have to turn up the TV. Oh and I use clay sewer pipe for hiding from predators. If you want a pump, I use a solar on one of my ponds, it's 12 years old but only put the pump in 2 years ago, it runs 15mins per hour, day and night for oxygenating but a shallow pond doesn't need it, it just sound nice. My large ponds have pumps but they are in full sun and deeper. Enjoy your journey of the build
 

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I don't know much about wildlife ponds b ut abandoned ponds turn into wildlife ponds I guess .I have taken out a few abandoned ponds and found the smell was horrible so you want to avoid that happening .A sewer came to mind with some of them and more amazing to me the fish were healthy in them .Longest one was abandoned for over 5 years by realtors knowledge
 
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So long as you stick to 2’ at the deepest, and have lots of surface area, you should be ok. I found when my pool pond didn’t get any attention, no pump, just fish, they did fine. It was 3-4’ deep, but 22’ across circle, so my surface area worked with wind to oxygenate the water.
 
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I posted it somewhere else but my frog pond idea has grown a little bit. Grown in size, ambition, and definitely grown in EXPENSE! :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: Dotted line is underground electrical and white square off to the right is an electrical box (or where one will hopefully go.
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I would go with mosquito fish for that type of pond. They will definitely take care of any mosquitoes that will love to drop eggs in the still water. Rosy Reds are also a good cheap choice but they won't tolerate extreme warm water as well as mosquito fish. Rosy Reds are more attractive and if they don't survive the warm water just spend a couple dollars and add more when the weather cools down.
 
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I posted it somewhere else but my frog pond idea has grown a little bit. Grown in size, ambition, and definitely grown in EXPENSE! :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO: Dotted line is underground electrical and white square off to the right is an electrical box (or where one will hopefully go.
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Ain't it amazing how those backyard projects end up costing three times as much as we originally pkanned? I just finished building a chicken coop for my wife today. I originally figured it would cost around $500 to do it. But when we decided to do an enclosed run with it the total cost of the project was a tad over$1400. It's still worth it when I think of the years of enjoyment we'll get from it. And hey, "free" eggs. I figure when we get about 5,000 dozen eggs, that chicken coop is paid for!
 
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Ain't it amazing how those backyard projects end up costing three times as much as we originally pkanned? I just finished building a chicken coop for my wife today. I originally figured it would cost around $500 to do it. But when we decided to do an enclosed run with it the total cost of the project was a tad over$1400. It's still worth it when I think of the years of enjoyment we'll get from it. And hey, "free" eggs. I figure when we get about 5,000 dozen eggs, that chicken coop is paid for!
OH MY GOSH! The 3x phenomenon is a true thing!!!! We have always said this at our house. However long you think it will take, multiply by 3. However much you think it will cost, multiply by 3. My husband always grossly underestimates both time and cost. He says he is just an optimist and I'm a pessimist! LOL
I also keep telling him he needs chickens. The man eats 4 eggs for breakfast every single day! I bet your chicken coop and run are both great!
 

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Hey let it grow this is the time to make it as you want it! A pita to change later.
 
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My husband is an optimistic underestimator, too. And then tells everyone "it cost three times what we thought it would!" I try to remind him that his "estimates" are based on zero experience, but he insists on figuring it out ahead of time and then dying of shock when he gets actual estimates from people who do the actual work. We're a good match that way. I always think "that's IT? That's worth it!" Haha! If I can't do it myself, I figure I'm at their mercy!
 
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lol My hubby was a estimator, in a way, for the gov. Worked with contracts. He is lousy at estimating the amount of time it will take us to do something. lousy..............He states a time I add x2 to x 3 his time(and I am usually right). Money wise we are usually pretty close.
 

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