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I'm still tweeking my filter system and in trying to figure out a way to mechanicaly filter out the fine particles in my pond water I came up with this. Since I get a lot of my ideas by viewing things other people have done, I thought I'd post this in case somebody was looking for a way to do the same thing.
The idea was to use simple quilt batting as the filter media and have it in one of my 55 gal tanks, but I wanted to have a way to replace the media quickly and easily, so I came up with a homemade (removable) canister for wrapping the batting around.
The canister (made from a bucket) gets pre-wrapped with the batting and I turn off the pump and remove the old canister and replace it with the new one. I only have the turn the pump off for a minute and when I remove the canister from the tank it comes out very cleanly with very little sediment washing into the tank.

The pictures speak for themselves I think.


https://www.gardenpondforum.com/gallery/image/2052-bucket-filter/



https://www.gardenpondforum.com/gallery/image/2053-quilt-wrap/



https://www.gardenpondforum.com/gallery/image/2054-sketch/
 
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great idea and you could make it smaller and even use a square container for tote filters .I put my quilt batting under a courser type filter this way the course one picks up the heavy stuff and the quilt batting picks up the finer stuff I guess also that would make it easier to wash the inside and the out side
 
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There have been some suggestions of just putting quilt batting in a basket of some sort and putting it at the bottom of the waterfall or where the water enters the pond. how much does one use? I could only find a full size bed roll of the batting. I plan on cutting it to fit a basket that I will have where the water enters the pond...do you keep it folded or just fluff it? :question:

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I keep mine folded this way I can take it out hose it off and give it a quick dip in peroxide and water and then let it dry and put a new piece in and then when that is dirty I take that out and put the already dry piece in and keep doing it that way .
 
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Thanks. I cut off a piece from the width and kind of ruffled it in the basket and then saw someone had posted. ;) Went and re-folded the piece and am ready to start filtering out fine stuff. I will cut another piece to have in the ready. Do you make a peroxide and water solution or straight peroxide. Gonna have to hit the $Store for more peroxide. :)

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water and peroxide best place to buy it is walmart 88 cents a bottle .
 
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I'm using quilt batting in my skimmer basket as well as the edge of my waterfall. I'm amazed at how much junk this gets out. I'm curious though, what's the purpose of rinsing in peroxide?
 
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Sissy, is that the price for 16 oz of Perozide? I found 32 oz. of peroxide for $1.00 @ $Tree or Deal$.

Coinr...quite possibly to kill any algae left after hosing off the batting? I just hosed mine off and put the

strips over the fence to bleach in this hot sun...104* today. :FIREdevil:



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If anyone doubts that quilt batting makes an effective filter for fine stuff, just look at this.
This is the quilt batting removed from the filter I made, put in this plastic tub and sloshed around a bit to get it to release the gunk it had filtered out.
The fine stuff that is in that water would probably pass right through the finest expensive sieve filters, yet lowly quilt batting is able to filter it out.
 

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no it is for a 32 ounce one here but I have a friend here that works in a nursing home and they buy it by the case so just paid for it by the case and a little stronger solution .I'm not sure and never looked but may be able to buy it in a pharmacy .
 

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And that stuff in there is great for your gardens mucky .Great video showing all the muck mucky :razz:
 
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MW...I recognize that stuff! I get oodles and oodles...I am also getting really tired of changing the batting out...sort of like changing diapers! :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: I have also added some of those bath puffs...the kind on a string that you use in the shower. I found some @ $Tree that look like 3 strung together and have put them in to further remove the gunk. Thanks for the visual. I used the white one...bought 3 . Did not use the braided one. They also clean much easier than the batting. I have just sprayed them off, batting included, w the hose and hang them to dry in the direct sun. Only used the peroxide 1x.

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Wanted to mention, as I rinse out the batting, puffs and now the filter material, I save it in a couple buckets...the thick, green, mucky stuff and use that to water my deck plants. They seem to be thriving. Do not need to fertilize them this way. ;) Since Mother Nature is not cooperating by sending us nice rain, this way I do not feel bad about using the hose during our drought we are currently in. I do not water the grass, only my plants. ;)

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Very awesome Mucky. I love the simplicity. Reminds me of a spin filter, kind of in a way if ya squint your eyes. ;)

I bet ya could put a type of connector at the input to really push some high flow through it. I have been looking for something to replace my pressurized filter, been using this as my mechanical filter. I would really like to do a S&G filter, but I have too many questions regarding these S&G filter that leave me unsettled.

I think I am gonna doing somthing like what you have shown. Maybe scaled down a little. Using a 1 gallon flower pot. Make it a few inches thick. then put this into a 5 gallon bucket. Figure out how to do my gaskets and seals so I can add some pressure to it.

Very awesome Mucky. I appreciate ya sharing this !!! This is what I love about you guys. :)

A few questions. Hope'n i'm not bug'n. :)

This is the quilt batting removed from the filter I made, put in this plastic tub and sloshed around a bit to get it to release the gunk it had filtered out.
Since it is so easy to release the debris, out of curiosity ... how is that none of the debris falls out as you are pulling the batting out of the water ??

Have ya thought of using micron screening wrap around it ?? such as wrap a single layer of 300 micron screen around the bucket, then a .5~1 inch of batting, then 200 micron screen wrap, then .5~1 inch of batting, then 100 micron screen wrap.

How often would ya have to clean a filter like this ?? seems like you could make it bigger so that ya don't have to clean it as often.

The fine stuff that is in that water would probably pass right through the finest expensive sieve filters, yet lowly quilt batting is able to filter it out.
I am told sand & gravel filters achieve the same as the expensive sieve filters as well depending on how fine of a sand is used ... I still do not completely understand how these S&G filters are cleaned. Something about using a powerful blower to shoot strong air in a frequency that dislodges the stuff then ya dump the dirtied water down a gutter or wherever.

The entire deal with sieve filters is that it is self cleaning ... ya never have to shut off any pumps when dumping the bucket where the gunk drops or don't even need a container depending on how it is configured.

I bet the filtering quality is the same. I know the Rotary Drum Filters filters water, removing particles as small as 40 microns !!! That's crazy small.
 
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Very awesome Mucky. I love the simplicity. Reminds me of a spin filter, kind of in a way if ya squint your eyes. ;)
Squinting work great for lots of things. If I have a few beers and squint real hard my wife looks just like she did on the day we were married. Unfortunately that doesn’t work for her when she looks at me. :dunno:

I bet ya could put a type of connector at the input to really push some high flow through it. I have been looking for something to replace my pressurized filter, been using this as my mechanical filter. I would really like to do a S&G filter, but I have too many questions regarding these S&G filter that leave me unsettled.
I think this quilt batting filter works better than my old pressure filter, and it’s easier to clean. LOL

I think I am gonna doing somthing like what you have shown. Maybe scaled down a little. Using a 1 gallon flower pot. Make it a few inches thick. then put this into a 5 gallon bucket. Figure out how to do my gaskets and seals so I can add some pressure to it.

Very awesome Mucky. I appreciate ya sharing this !!! This is what I love about you guys. :)

A few questions. Hope'n i'm not bug'n. :)


Since it is so easy to release the debris, out of curiosity ... how is that none of the debris falls out as you are pulling the batting out of the water ??
I’m sure some of the debris does go through, but I think the bigger question is why all the debris doesn’t get sucked right through the batting in the first place. After all the spaces between the batting fibres is much bigger then the fine particles it is trapping?
I believe the answer is because those fine particles are sticky. They get stuck to each other, and they get stuck to the fibres of the quilt batting. Kind of like sawdust gets stuck to your sweater if you are working around a saw. Vigorously shake your sweater after, or better yet blow compressed air at it and you can remove the sawdust.

Have ya thought of using micron screening wrap around it ?? such as wrap a single layer of 300 micron screen around the bucket, then a .5~1 inch of batting, then 200 micron screen wrap, then .5~1 inch of batting, then 100 micron screen wrap.
I do pre-filter the water before going to the quilt batting, my vortex settlement filter catches most of the big stuff. I thing micron screens would just get plugged up right away, unless used in a sieve type application where it constantly gets washed off.


How often would ya have to clean a filter like this ?? seems like you could make it bigger so that ya don't have to clean it as often.
Last time I changed it was a couple days before I started this thread, so it has been just about a month. I’m sure I could have left it at least another week, maybe more. Problem is if I leave it to long the water level drops in the tank too much and my pump will start sucking air and lose it’s prime. I can live with once a month cleaning or changing of the filter material. I have two of them, so when I change it I just pull out the dirty one and pop in the clean one. That only takes a minute, but the cleaning later takes about 15 minutes. L


I am told sand & gravel filters achieve the same as the expensive sieve filters as well depending on how fine of a sand is used ... I still do not completely understand how these S&G filters are cleaned. Something about using a powerful blower to shoot strong air in a frequency that dislodges the stuff then ya dump the dirtied water down a gutter or wherever.

The entire deal with sieve filters is that it is self cleaning ... ya never have to shut off any pumps when dumping the bucket where the gunk drops or don't even need a container depending on how it is configured.

I don't know much about S/G filters either, but there’s a great thread over in Koiphen comparing rotating drum filters and sieve filters and even vortex settlement chambers. Apparently for a sieve filter to be truly “self cleaning” you need to leave the a the discharge valve open to allow the sediment to wash out, (to a drain somewhere) and apparently you can lose a fair bit of water doing this, so it is recommended you only do this in conjunction with an auto fill valve installed. Otherwise you have to remove the debris manually from sieve filters, usually done by scooping it out with your hand.

One guy makes a good case for vortex filters against sieves, using a similarity between sugar in a coffee cup and sediment in a vortex filter, if you dump the sugar in a cup and don’t stir the bottom the sugar will sit at the bottom, but if you put sugar in a sieve it will continually get washed by the water until it dissolves and mixes with the water going through the sieve.

I considered a sieve when I set up my filter system, but opted out because my vortex filter is more friendly to small pond critters (fry, tadpoles, small frogs, turtles, etc…) If all I wanted in my pond was big koi, probably a sieve, or a rotating drum filter would be the way to go.

I bet the filtering quality is the same. I know the Rotary Drum Filters filters water, removing particles as small as 40 microns !!! That's crazy small.









 
 
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I want to make sure I do this correctly. In my skimmer basket, I am going to cut the quilt batting and place it under the green plastic mat which is under the basket. What about at the top where the waterfall is, do I place some there as well?
 

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Quilt batting clogs VERY quick. I tried using a layer in the top of my Savio and the lid was off in 2 hours. Best to have the water flow over the top of it and let the water flow back into the pond. It would depend on how much particulate you havein your pond water.
 

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I have always used quilt batting under my reusable furnace filters .Thick stuff goes in the furnace filter and fine stuff in quilt batting
 
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