Sick Shubunkin

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    Hi. I did a 10% water change this morning and one of my shubunkins is swimming slower and on its side, lost its luster and is being bullied by the others. It was fit and healthy yesterday. The pond is large 1500l with 29 fish all about 2-3 inches. It's a new pond and the fish have been at home for about 5 weeks. No losses todate. Please help.
     
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    Water parameters?
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    sounds like a lot of fish for that size pond to..
     
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    I really don't know the water parameters. Never tested them but up to now they are all happy and eat every three days. They have grown in the 5 weeks and the water is crystal clear. I have a large submersible pump and filter with UV light. When I back wash weekly the water is hardly dirty at all. The bottom of the pond is also practicaly spotless - I cleaned it 2 weeks ago using a sucktion pump. I have put an extra air pump in just invade its a lack of air. How do I know how much to feed them? They ALWAYS beg for food.
     
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    Water clarity does not equate into water quality. Some of the deadliest chemicals are colorless.
    Exactly what is the gph rating for your pump and what brand of biofilter do you have?
     
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    700gph pump
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    2400lph pump
    And a UV-C pond Press bio filter
     
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    It could be, since this is a fairly new pond, that it has not completely 'cycled'. I would strongly advise testing the water, at least for Ammonia.
     
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    yea that's what I was thinking, especially when I heard "water is crystal clear" because in a cycled pond, this is unlikely for the most part...
    also suspect the particular fish had swim bladder disease it sound like IMO. Also agree you should get a LIQUID test kit.
     
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    can be water quality issue or bacteria , u can try to change some water , stop feeding , try any antibacterial med , where were these fishes before u placed them here? if u can place some of them there or get old water and filter
     
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    Excellent. Thank you I'll get this first thing tomorrow morning. I'm afraid he is not going to make it. I did circulate the water for about three weeks before my fish arrived. Shall I do a 25% water change? I suspect the water to be slightly more green than a week ago.
     
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    Morning.
    I see my last post did not upload but has now.
    I did a 40% water change last night. Today all 29 look happy and healthy even my sick one. He is in the same pond but in a floating container to prevent the others bullying him. He is more active today and his gills white and not brown like yesterday. I am concerned about parasites. There is one long white thread in the water of about 2-3 cm. I saw this yesterday as well. Don't know if I'm just paranoid but I will be at my fish shop asap. Shall I hold back on feeding? Posts are very confusing about feeding. Currently the water is about 10 deg C and I'm feeding them about 3-4 pellets each every three days. Ok?
     
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    Brown gills could be a sign of nitrite poisoning, the result of a pond that has not yet cycled.
    No feeding at all and test the water asap.
     
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    Is there any advice you can offer for my sick fish? It is still alive. I have added bacteria meds to the water and all other 28 fish are happy and healthy but my sick one just lies on his side on the bottom of it's hospital tank. No fin movement unless it is disturbed then it swims frantically. The gills are white and no further scale loss since Sunday.
     
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    Water parameters, don't add more bacteria as its just ammonia and nitrite....
     
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    You won't believe it but there are no liquid test kits available to but in the town I live. I found two buy both expired in 2015 so I didn't buy them! I'm still fishing in the dark. Can you recommend one I can buy online?
     
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    My fish were flown to me from one breeder 1000kms away.
     
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    If there are no test kits available, tell us:
    -date water was added
    -date fish were added
    -complete list of chemicals, meds, bacteria that has been added to date
    -are there any plants or algae present?

    API makes a good liquid test kit, http://www.apifishcare.com/product.php?id=580#.WYHkq60ZPSc
    Is this test kit and other API products available in your country?
     
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    YOu can get one from amazon. API freshwater master test kit.
     
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    I thought I'd give an update for other new fish pond owners.
    After two weeks of water testing, everything is fine each time I test. My fish was hospitalized for 10 days, in a separate floating container. It was constantly on its side but would swim well when disturbed. I treated the water once with bacteria and fungus meds and then fed it peas twice. Three days ago it was swimming so well, no falling over that I decided to put it back with the others. Fantastic news, it is swimming beautifully and looking very good indeed. From practically dead to a beautiful healthy fish! Thanks for the advice!
     
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    Great job on saving your fish.
     
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    Thanks for the update.
     
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