submersible pump help

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    addy1 water gardener / gold fish and shubunkins Moderator

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    Last year we started to help a neighbor with a pond issue. A bit of plumbing. That was done, but now their sump pump 1/4 horse power is dying.

    These are some pictures of the pond.

    lower pond it is around 2x what you can see in size.
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    About a 5 foot rise to the upper pond IMG_1215.JPG

    Per a email from them:
    per measurement by someone that cleaned the pond when they bought the house.

    518 square foot estimated measurement

    If you factor an average pond depth of 2 feet 6 inches, the cubic footage is 1300 cubic feet (9,725 gallons).

    They want me to help them replace the sump pump. I have only worked with external pumps, so asking for help to pick out a energy efficient pump for their ponds. Minimal fish load, mainly water and plants.

    The pump is in the skimmer.

    Thanks in advance
     
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    No pump help here @addy1 - just tons of pond envy! What a gorgeous setting!
     
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    addy1 water gardener / gold fish and shubunkins Moderator

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    It is beautiful. Their gardens are unreal. Beautiful flowers.
    They are a 1/2 mile from us, we put some bees on their property.
     
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    The large box stores carry sump pumps. All pumps are rather energy efficient these days. I would say price is more of an issue. Just figure out the size of pump they need and shop around. If you have a harbor frieght store nearby I would recomend them.
     
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    Beautiful pond and sorry I don't know about sump pumps.
     
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    What is a bog filter ?
     
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    addy1 water gardener / gold fish and shubunkins Moderator

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    @Lisak1

    Here is a shot of the waterfall, just love it! 20170521_134314.jpg 20170521_134240.jpg
     
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    Oh, my! It's soooo beautiful! Like the perfect blend of formal pond in a completely natural setting.

    @Annee - a "bog" filter is a planted wetland up flow filtration system for a pond. You pump water up through layers of stone and gravel that are planted at the surface. The combination of gravel and plants clean the water which then flows back into the pond. An alternative (or in addition to, in some cases) a bio-falls or other type of pond filtration.

    Here's a thread to read about how @addy1 built her (VERY LARGE!) bog. This can be done on any scale - there are lots of other people on the forum who have built and used them to filter their ponds, myself included.

    https://www.gardenpondforum.com/threads/bog-building.6894/
     
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    addy1 water gardener / gold fish and shubunkins Moderator

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    They didn't build it, so knowledge of the plumbing etc is low. Not too much head pressure. The sump pump they have been using does not send a lot of water to the waterfall basin.
    I am looking for something efficient and pushes more water

    It is a beautiful setting
     
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    addy1 water gardener / gold fish and shubunkins Moderator

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    The bottom picture, the plant is a hibiscus that has beautiful blooms and grows in the water in a pot. Also survives our winters. They gave me a lot of seeds last year. I never got around to planting them. I need to do that.
     
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    I'm sure by "sump pump" you mean submersible pond pump. Do they have a budget in mind? We've found our Aquascape pumps to be very reliable. Sounds like they are looking for something in the 15-20K GPH range. Although maybe less if they don't have a lot of fish. Is the pond filtered?
     
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    Beautiful setting!
     
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    addy1 water gardener / gold fish and shubunkins Moderator

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    No by sump pump I mean sump pump. That is what they have been using a 1/4 hp one.

    The pump pushes the water into a filter hole. They have matala type filter pads and lava rocks in bags. Minimal fish load. Small gold fish.

    Lots of plants.

    They seem to be doing ok, but want it to stay on the cheaper side with decent electric efficiency
     
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    addy1 water gardener / gold fish and shubunkins Moderator

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    I found this one.............

    Lifegard Aquatics 6600 PG Water Pump $161.00 on amazon

    no knowledge of the pump makers.
     
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    Ah - gotcha! Just shows what you get when you assume!

    We bought two new sump pumps last year for the basement - my husband is a researcher extraordinaire when it comes to buying anything for the house, so knowing his standards these are surely reliable, energy efficient and highly rated.

    https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000H5PYR2/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1
     
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    addy1 water gardener / gold fish and shubunkins Moderator

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    They want better flow. The sump pump was there when they bought the house. We have gone over xxx times to get it running again.

    So I am thinking a pond pump would do a better job. IE handle the head pressure and have decent flow
     
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    Oh, definitely a pond pump if they are willing! You'll pay more, but they are designed to run 24/7, unlike a sump pump.
     
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    Yep, home use sump pumps are not designed to run 24/7, you need a large submersible pond pump.
    Sorry no recommendations on what will work for you.
     
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    Agreed, sump pumps are not mean for constant use. They should buy a pump that is able to run 24/7. Very nice looking ponds by the way!
     
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    Sump pumps are not really intended for continues use. I think you would be better off with a pond pump. That pond is amazing!
     
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