Two new fish (Watonai) ordered and on the way!


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I finally decided to order some fish from Raingarden [out of Hawaii]. I've heard nothing but positive things about their fish -- but they are expensive, not even counting the shipping costs.

Watonai are hard to find, and where I am, mail order is about the only way to get any. I got some last year from Koi To The world, and they are pretty fish, but now that I know a little more, I can see many "faults" with their conformation [and a couple of things that ordinarily would have made for culls].

Anyway, Raingarden not only shows multiple pics of each fish, and gives the gender, but they have a little video as well. Watching the video is what really convinced me to go with the 2 I chose as there wasn't anything too spectacular to note in the still pics. And these 2 are females which I wanted!

They will be prepped for shipping and will ship out of Hawaii on Wed., so I should get them FEDEX on Friday -- Good Friday! Now I've got to do some work on my QT and get it cleaned up and ready. Can you tell I'm excited?

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How neat! Enjoy your new kids.
 
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Do you keep these fish inside, or are they pond fish? They are very pretty :)
 
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I finally decided to order some fish from Raingarden [out of Hawaii]. I've heard nothing but positive things about their fish -- but they are expensive, not even counting the shipping costs.

Watonai are hard to find, and where I am, mail order is about the only way to get any. I got some last year from Koi To The world, and they are pretty fish, but now that I know a little more, I can see many "faults" with their conformation [and a couple of things that ordinarily would have made for culls].

Anyway, Raingarden not only shows multiple pics of each fish, and gives the gender, but they have a little video as well. Watching the video is what really convinced me to go with the 2 I chose as there wasn't anything too spectacular to note in the still pics. And these 2 are females which I wanted!

They will be prepped for shipping and will ship out of Hawaii on Wed., so I should get them FEDEX on Friday -- Good Friday! Now I've got to do some work on my QT and get it cleaned up and ready. Can you tell I'm excited?

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Make sure you QT them well Maggie 8 weeks seeing as they are coming in from another country .
Otherwise as you normally would look after them , then put them in with your main population , are you showing these guys later on this year ?

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How fun for you! They are both very cute :)

I have been watching the goldfish auction from DandyOrandas every weekend. Nice fish (and some very unusual) but for the most part expensive (especially with shipping) My husband would have my head if I spent $100 on upwards to almost $300 on a fish :dead: I did notice this past weekend though he had several fish that were $50-$75 dollar range (plus shipping) of course I like all the ones that cost more :rolleyes:
 
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Good luck with your Watonais. I bought two a few years ago from Rain Garden and the following spring I had a rough patch in my pond and several fish didn't make it. including them.They are very pretty fish but definitely a little slower swimmers than comets and shubunkins.Try taking some pictures while they are still in their bags!
 
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Well, they arrived Friday -- a little larger fish than I was expecting, LOL! They are still adjusting to the QT [and our sudden drop in temp here!!]. I went out to give them a little food -- trying to hand feed them so they'll get used to me -- this morning and for the first time they responded to my hand in the tank rather than by hiding.

Sorry, but no pics yet. I tried to get some when they were still in the bags, but the bags weren't quite clear enough -- I guess a thicker plastic, maybe. Then, of course, after they were in the QT, they went into hiding.

They are beautiful fish. They carry their flowy tails so nice!
 

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I actually did take a few pictures, though they aren't very good ones. This was just after they went into the QT.

As a size comparison, I would say to look at that piece of PVC pipe -- but darn, I can't recall if it's a 2" or 3" fitting, and that would make a difference! The larger fish is the most shy -- she's the "solid" colored one. She was measured at 6.2" [body] and 10.9" [total]. The bi-colored one was 4.6"/8" -- she shows her tail off better in these shots.

That's the big one on the right, and the smaller one [partially obscured] on the left.
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Another shot of the smaller, but still 8" long, fish.
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I must have missed this when you posted it. How are they doing now?

Can't wait to see more pictures :)
So far, so good! I feed them lightly once a day 'cause I want them to get used to me and associate me with food & safety.

Smaller one will come out and swim around like it's getting more and more comfortable. The larger one still mostly hides, but has come out a few times while I've been there, and yesterday she did go to the top to grab a bite -- then swooped back into her "cave" [cave is a 4" PVC T that is covered with landscape fabric]. So, progress :) And BTW, the PVC T that is in the pics is NOT the one I'm talking about. I don't think that this larger fish would fit into this smaller T, LOL!

And today marks the end of the 1st week of QT!
 
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That's awesome to hear :)

Glad they are getting used to you and all settled into their new home :cool:

They are both really pretty fish, sometimes it's hard to tell just how big they are from photos. Can't wait to see their babies :D
 
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Well, they arrived Friday -- a little larger fish than I was expecting, LOL! They are still adjusting to the QT [and our sudden drop in temp here!!]. I went out to give them a little food -- trying to hand feed them so they'll get used to me -- this morning and for the first time they responded to my hand in the tank rather than by hiding.

Sorry, but no pics yet. I tried to get some when they were still in the bags, but the bags weren't quite clear enough -- I guess a thicker plastic, maybe. Then, of course, after they were in the QT, they went into hiding.

They are beautiful fish. They carry their flowy tails so nice!
When I got mine he was so much larger than I expect too! He is bigger than my old ones in the pond lol.

The other day I had to rescue my female watonai from being torn apart (she has wound on her head and her tail all torn apart) I put her in salt bath and put her in the tank with my Raingarden's watonai. They are so different I would've thought they are different kind of fish!!

The female watonai was from Koi to the World (ebay) and has sleek long body. I got her last year. Her tail split in the middle.
The male watonai was from Raingarden and he's wide, and has big belly. His tail didnt split in two though, they are connected.

TM, what do you know about their characteristic? please do share!!

Anya
 

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Time for an update at 2-1/2 weeks into quarantine!

The big girls are doing great and are adjusting to their temp. home. The smaller one is still the most bold/friendly, whatever you want to call it in fish parlance. She comes when I show up and isn't at all afraid to eat in front of me. Have had my hand in the water and she shows curiosity.

The larger one is still timid, but does come out, swim around and will eat in front of me, which is an improvement. She was starting to do that last time I posted, but now she doesn't act quite as desperate to grab the food and go back to her hiding place. So, she's coming along.

No obvious signs of illness, but will scrape them before release in the pond. Not sure if I'll go 4 weeks or maybe add on a little more time. I might go longer just to give the more timid girl a chance to warm up to me.
 

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@Nepen I didn't mean to ignore your previous post...... Guess I didn't see it until just now. Sorry!

I've only been able to find a little bit of information regarding correct conformation for Wakin & Watonai, and most of it relates to Wakin. There is some info on the Raingarden site, and there was one other site that had some good info -- if I can find it again, I'll post a link.
http://www.exoticgoldfish.net/breeds-wakin.html and http://www.qldaf.com/forums/goldfish-koi-46/watonai-goldfish-87164/

For the Watonai, basically, you look to the conformation of a comet, but add the double tail (and I assume with the tail, you'd look to the conformation for a "fantail" type tail...?). From what I gather, they are supposed to have a torpedo-shaped body. Now, one place called that "fat," but to me, a torpedo is long & slender, so go figure. The tail is supposed to be split, and is supposed to be angled downward and held out horizontally. The width (side-to-side) of the tail should be equal to the length of the body. Since Watonai are a cross between Wakin and Ryunkin, I would expect the body shape to be a little more compact, but again, there's not a lot out there, and you now know what I know (n)

Of the Watonai I currently have, these 2 new ones look true, and maybe 2 of my other ones look true. Then I have 1 or 2 that are pretty fish [nice colors, etc.], but their tails look more like streamers flowing behind them [reminds me of a kite without the supports, LOL]. No problems, though, as all of these guys are my pets and I'm not breeding or anything.
 
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Another update:

Yea! The big girl is starting to "come out" spontaneously! Now, when I show up at the QT, she will swim toward me -- but then, it's like she's thinking, "Oh no, I can't let her know that I care...." and she'll dart away. Silly fish!

She will swim around and take a few bites of food, but acts like she's always "on guard."

But I'm seeing more of her these days, and she may always be a timid fish, but at least this is progress!

The other girl is quite comfortable with the whole fish & human connection thing. She'll almost eat out of my fingers.
 

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