Unusual Lotus Question

Discussion in 'Aquatic Plants' started by pecan, Jun 9, 2012.

  1. pecan

    pecan

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2012
    Messages:
    1,689
    Likes Received:
    2,252
    Location:
    High Desert Zone 7a
    I am thinking about taking some extra liner I have, digging a hole, lining it, filling it with kitty litter and pond water and sticking a lotus tuber in it. It would be about 100 - 200 gallons. Would the lotus tuber easily break through the liner and cause leaks? Maybe I should use a stock tank or something else? I would just like to use liner since I have some extra pieces that would do the trick.

    What are your thoughts?
     
    pecan, Jun 9, 2012
    #1
    1. Advertisements

  2. pecan

    DrCase Moderator Moderator

    Joined:
    Dec 29, 2007
    Messages:
    4,395
    Likes Received:
    771
    Location:
    Arkansas
    I believe it. Would work just fine. I had a old pre form and turned it into a lotus pond this spring
     
    DrCase, Jun 9, 2012
    #2
    1. Advertisements

  3. pecan

    pecan

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2012
    Messages:
    1,689
    Likes Received:
    2,252
    Location:
    High Desert Zone 7a
    Thanks! That is great news. I did not want to buy anything, but rather use stuff laying around the house. :)
     
    pecan, Jun 9, 2012
    #3
  4. pecan

    pecan

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2012
    Messages:
    1,689
    Likes Received:
    2,252
    Location:
    High Desert Zone 7a
    I am also hoping this little tinee tiny lotus pond scratches the itch I have to build another pond... Not likely :LOL: :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:
     
    pecan, Jun 9, 2012
    #4
  5. pecan

    taherrmann4 Tmann

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2011
    Messages:
    3,142
    Likes Received:
    675
    Location:
    Louisville KY
    Pecan I don't see why that wouldn't work they shouldn't be able to puncture that liner.
     
    taherrmann4, Jun 9, 2012
    #5
  6. pecan

    addy1 water gardener / gold fish and shubunkins Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2010
    Messages:
    32,333
    Likes Received:
    16,616
    Location:
    Frederick, Maryland
    The roots just make huge circles, they are soft easily broken, so can't see anyway for them to break through a liner.
     
    addy1, Jun 9, 2012
    #6
  7. pecan

    pecan

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2012
    Messages:
    1,689
    Likes Received:
    2,252
    Location:
    High Desert Zone 7a
    Thanks again everyone! A couple more questions...

    I plan on making it about 2'-3' deep and as big around as the piece of liner will allow (maybe 4'x4'). Is 2' to 3' feet good for a lotus?

    Then I am thinking about dumping a bunch of kitty litter straight in. How much space should I leave between the top of the kitty litter and the top of the small pond? 12" maybe?

    Then put the water in.

    Kind of like this. Please let me know if this is a good plan, as I have not grown lotus before :)

    [​IMG]
     
    pecan, Jun 10, 2012
    #7
  8. pecan

    fishin4cars True friends just call me Larkin Moderator

    Joined:
    Mar 23, 2011
    Messages:
    5,195
    Likes Received:
    1,581
    Location:
    Hammond LA USA
    Liner works fine, Try and remove as many wrinkles as possible as the tips will get in the wrinkle and causes the growing tip to turn and sometimes gets lodged. This is where the blooms form so you want them to continue to grow. No need for 2-3' foot deep unless you plan on leaving it outdoors for the winter. Even then I doubt it will really help. I ran about 12" of media, and about 2" of water above the media. If at all possible some water flow is beneficial, Not absolutely needed but it does help. very small pump just to move a little water or a air stone helps to keep the water from becoming stagnant and becoming a mosquito breeding facility.
     
    fishin4cars, Jun 10, 2012
    #8
  9. pecan

    taherrmann4 Tmann

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2011
    Messages:
    3,142
    Likes Received:
    675
    Location:
    Louisville KY
    Pecan why not use the liner then individually place the lotus in pots with kitty litter, rather than filling the entire thing with litter. This would also make it easier for you to split and maintain the lotus and use less litter. You could get those pots with rope handles on them to make it easier for you to take them out.

    I am using a whiskey barrel look a like pot, probably holds about 7-10 gallons. I put my lotus in an oil pan filled with kitty litter then just set the seed on top of the litter and let it do its thing. It has taken off quite well so far, will need to take a pic at some time, but I lost one leaf and that concerned me b/c the last few times I have tried this I would lose a leaf and that was a sign that things were going to get worse. However that was a few weeks ago and it has since began growing more leaves and spreading its growing tip. I have it about 6" under water to the top of the liter and use a small solar pump just to move the water around during the hottest part of the day. If you are going to grow them from seed there are instructions on how to do it. I was trying to start them off in a glass but always failed so this time I just dropped them in the pot that would be their new home. I just started another one yesterday so we shall see how well I do.
     
    taherrmann4, Jun 10, 2012
    #9
  10. pecan

    addy1 water gardener / gold fish and shubunkins Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2010
    Messages:
    32,333
    Likes Received:
    16,616
    Location:
    Frederick, Maryland
    Mine are in a stock tank, then in the rope handle buckets from walmart. In those tubs is kitty litter, the water is around 10 inches or so above the tubers. They so far have survived a mild winter. I keep air flow going, now have it interconnected with the large pond. This is the first time I have been able to see into the tub, have a nice flow going in and out of the pond, not too fast, maybe 60 gallons an hour, will need to fill a bucket and time it.
     
    addy1, Jun 11, 2012
    #10
  11. pecan

    pecan

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2012
    Messages:
    1,689
    Likes Received:
    2,252
    Location:
    High Desert Zone 7a
    I plan on leaving them out all winter. We are zone 7 and the lotus tubers I can get here are hardy so I think they should be fine. Thanks for the tips on the water level, depth etc. Now to find the right spot. :) I am thinking maybe in one of my higher maintenance flower beds to reduce the maintenance, not sure though.
     
    pecan, Jun 11, 2012
    #11
  12. pecan

    addy1 water gardener / gold fish and shubunkins Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2010
    Messages:
    32,333
    Likes Received:
    16,616
    Location:
    Frederick, Maryland
    The main thing is you don't want the tubers to freeze in the winter.
     
    addy1, Jun 11, 2012
    #12
  13. pecan

    CountryEscape

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2011
    Messages:
    7,144
    Likes Received:
    4,576
    Location:
    near Effingham, Illinois
    Todd I'd love to see your pics. And, I have some seeds, did you just score then and then put them into the kitty litter, about 2-6" down and besides the solar pump, leave them go? I could do that! I bought some tubers, all had leaves, all died except one, so not too happy about that. But, I also got seeds, I think 10 of them, of a yellow lotus, so I may just put them into the pots I had the others in (still waiting and was hopeful maybe they would come back to life but nothing so far ...). How do you keep the seeds down, or are they heavy enough to stay on the soil? Did you push them a little into the litter, or just lay them on top and let them find their own way into the litter? Interesting!
    Good luck, Pecan! I'll want to see pics and hear all about yours, too, and how you keep it from freezing that deep, etc. in the winter.
     
    CountryEscape, Jun 11, 2012
    #13
  14. pecan

    taherrmann4 Tmann

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2011
    Messages:
    3,142
    Likes Received:
    675
    Location:
    Louisville KY
    CE I just scored them with a hacksaw, all the way around then I took a small screw driver put it in the cut and twisted. I put my hacksaw in the vise upside down to hold and I take the seed between my fingers and move it up and down the saw while at the same time using my fingers to go along the side of the blade to keep it stable and on the same cut. I go all the way around the seed, only takes me a few minutes on each seed now that I have the hang of it. Once I get the end piece off (just the outer shell) I dropped them in the oil pan with kitty litter and let them go, did not push them into the litter or anything. All my seeds sank to the bottom, nothing I had to do to hold them down.

    Here are some older pics of some I tried last year but you can see the seed and the piece missing. You can also see it starting to grow. The one seed I took the whole outer shell off.
    P1020969.JPG

    This is the one I just started about two weeks ago. It is in a 10 gallon (guessing) whiskey barrel type pot and has an oil pan filled with kitty litter and sits on the bottom. This was taken last weekend and it is now a little bit bigger. You will also see a small lily that I dropped in there and it has taken off. I will have to transplant it here in a few weeks. With my bad luck with getting lotus to start I figured this was my backup and go figure both are doing great. Oh well. I will take a more recent pic in the next few days. I just started another one too in another pot, but this one won't have a solar pump at least yet. I found that the pump does just enough to keep the water moving and it is crystal clear.
    P1040061.JPG
     
    taherrmann4, Jun 11, 2012
    #14
    pecan likes this.
  15. pecan

    CountryEscape

    Joined:
    Mar 20, 2011
    Messages:
    7,144
    Likes Received:
    4,576
    Location:
    near Effingham, Illinois
    Neat pics, Todd. I think I will try that, and the solar pump sounds like the way to go, just enough to keep the water from going stagnant. The water in my pots the lotus were supposed to be growing in are all green. I've changed it out several times (about once a week) down to about the bottom 2-3" and it stays green. Not sure if that's good or bad. No mosquitos in there, though.
    BTW, speaking of mosquitos, I see all these little wiggly things in my filter, on rocks. The best way to describe them is an inch worm. They move like an inch worm, and are between 1/4 and 1/2" long. Do you know what they might be?
     
    CountryEscape, Jun 11, 2012
    #15
  16. pecan

    sissy sissy

    Joined:
    Jan 17, 2011
    Messages:
    30,016
    Likes Received:
    13,297
    Location:
    Axton virginia
    first ones I did birds must have taken them out of the stock tank and second ones I put a screen over it
    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     

    Attached Files:

    sissy, Jun 11, 2012
    #16
  17. pecan

    HARO Pondcrastinator

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2011
    Messages:
    4,651
    Likes Received:
    4,536
    Location:
    Ontario, Canada
    Pecan;
    I've seen the method you describe used several times here in Ontario (zone 5) with great success. The bogs were between 2 1/2' and 3' deep, filled with a mixture of garden soil and clay, with from 4" to 6" of water over the soil. The folks who wholesale to us simply place a tuber on top of the soil and weigh it down with a small stone or two. The stones can be removed once the tuber anchors itself. As far as folds in the liner, the growing ends CAN get trapped in them and die, but once the plant is growing well there should be enough growth so that you probably wouldn't miss one or two. The lotus survive our winters in these bogs, so you shouldn't have a problem. I'll have to get some pictures of these set-ups once they start flowering.
    John
     
    HARO, Jun 11, 2012
    #17
  18. pecan

    addy1 water gardener / gold fish and shubunkins Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 23, 2010
    Messages:
    32,333
    Likes Received:
    16,616
    Location:
    Frederick, Maryland
    neat to know haro, maybe my next project will be a lotus bog........
     
    addy1, Jun 11, 2012
    #18
  19. pecan

    pecan

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2012
    Messages:
    1,689
    Likes Received:
    2,252
    Location:
    High Desert Zone 7a
    Great Haro! That was my initial idea... I wanted to make the pond kind of like just a large lotus container and leave it in there year round.

    I wonder if there is some sort of tape, kind of like duct tap I could run down the folds before filling so the tips don't grow into them....
     
    pecan, Jun 11, 2012
    #19
  20. pecan

    taherrmann4 Tmann

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2011
    Messages:
    3,142
    Likes Received:
    675
    Location:
    Louisville KY
    You will just need to make sure your folds are folded over in the clockwise direction, then tell your lotus that they are only allowed to grow in the clockwise direction. If they don't listen you may need to :chair: them around a bit. :cheerful: Or you can try this http://www.petmounta...ct/11442-522520
     
    taherrmann4, Jun 11, 2012
    #20
    HARO, pondlover and pecan like this.
    1. Advertisements

Ask a Question

Want to reply to this thread or ask your own question?

You'll need to choose a username for the site, which only take a couple of moments (here). After that, you can post your question and our members will help you out.