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Good luck to you @KeithG - and THANK YOU for actually taking the time to read and respond to comments. You have no idea how often people post a question, get lots of helpful answers, and then... nothing. Maybe they are overwhelmed with information, maybe they read and aren't happy with what they hear, maybe they just drifted off to another project... who knows. I answer questions hoping to help the original poster, but also to help anyone who may come to the forum in the future with similar questions. But honestly it is refreshing when we get a little feedback from the OP!

I won't say "there's no wrong way to build a pond" because there certainly is, and we've seen lots of them here! But once you understand what you're trying to accomplish, it's up to you to decide what elements best fit your budget, your expertise, your layout, your space, etc. Knowing there are options makes this a much more personalized project, but it does require you to think through where you hope to end up!

Take lots of pictures and share with us - we love to see other people working!
Thanks Lisak1

I couldn't imagine not replying. You take the time to read my post and give advice from your experience and Everyone should have the decency to at least reply with a thank you.

I'm now thinking to leave the bottom drain out and just go with the skimmer, pump and filter that I already have.

I'm hoping to start the digging in 2 or 3 weeks time and will be sure to post pics.

This forum is fab. I've posted on other forums and get a list of expensive items to use and ignoring that I had informed what I had and simply asked would it work and if not how would/could it work. So, thank you for being so helpful and advising in line with my questions.

Keith
 
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Me my wife calls me Putz
I have the matrix bog
The peastone bog
Stream
Upper pond planted
Waterfalls
6 foot deep pond
Main drain
Skimmer
Negative edge
Cistern.
Check valves
Ball valves
Unions
Multiple pumps
Rocks and boulders
Epdm

Love the main drain for waste collection. But it also has sucked in cold or numb fish. If to big they have also gotten stuck to the drain even with two drains.

Skimmer is a helix they are great fish can swim right in to the floating wear and swim right out but if your water level fluctuates it's maintenance to keep up on.

Negative edge is great but I recently added goldfish comments and they just aren't to bright as they keep going over the falls to sh_t's creek " the last chance a small pool last chance for me to find them before the go over the final falls of heels gate and then I tried all over.
So as said above it's all in what works with your setup and your management. I travel alot and I have to rely on things taking care of them selves.
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Hi GBBUDD

Thank you for your reply, it's really helpful, I appreciate you taking the time to reply.

Keith
 
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well, especially if time and money are a consideration, bog filtration certanly will help you. I echo all the above; I have no bottom drain, no UV, no skimmer, no filtration other than the bog, and am currently going on 125+ fish. Plants, and lots of them, combined with your bog filtration will take care of water quality. The waterfall will give you aeration (as well as from any bog overflow) and the largest investment should be your liner.

Good luck!
Hi Brokensword

Thank you for taking the time to reply, your points are greatly appreciated.

I love the idea of a bog and think I will do one, in a year or so, once I have gained some experience and knowledge.

Once I have the pond dug and a concise idea of how high the waterfall will be (at the moment I'm working towards 4ft to 6ft, but as I'll be using some of the earth from the hole I think it best to wait and measure to be sure and then order the liner. I'm leaning towards Epalyn as have read it's easy to form a waterfall and to fit on the front of the skimmer (I'm sticking with the skimmer as I have a number of trees around my garden and it'd be a nightmare in the autumn trying to keep the pond clear of them with a net.)

Once again, thank you for your reply

Keith
 
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I'm definitely in the minority here and have a bottom drain in my pond. It keeps the bottom of the pond clean of fish waste and debris with no effort on my part.

I also have a skimmer to keep the surface clear of leaves.

I scoop out leaves with a skimmer net and cover the pond with a net when leaves are falling heavily. Any that manage to get past me and sink to the bottom I either net out if I see them, or they go through the bottom drain to the leaf basket attached to the front of the pump. There is no prefilter or sieve and there has never been a threat of a clog. The leaf basket is emptied when necessary which can be anywhere from once a week to months.

Obviously there are different opinions and everyone has their own preferences. As long as your method works for you and your pond, there is no right or wrong way.

Hi WaterGardener

Thank you for taking the time to reply to my post.

From your experience does the diagram I have posted make sense? If you don't mind me asking, how does it differ from your set up?

I look forward to your reply, if/when you have the time.

Keith
 
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Your system design looks good . The only questions are where are water table heights compared to fitting g and pumps.
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Hi Brokensword

Thank you for taking the time to reply, your points are greatly appreciated.

I love the idea of a bog and think I will do one, in a year or so, once I have gained some experience and knowledge.

Once I have the pond dug and a concise idea of how high the waterfall will be (at the moment I'm working towards 4ft to 6ft, but as I'll be using some of the earth from the hole I think it best to wait and measure to be sure and then order the liner. I'm leaning towards Epalyn as have read it's easy to form a waterfall and to fit on the front of the skimmer (I'm sticking with the skimmer as I have a number of trees around my garden and it'd be a nightmare in the autumn trying to keep the pond clear of them with a net.)

Once again, thank you for your reply

Keith
It's all good! Only one further note, maybe you'll consider it a nudge, but from re-reading your posts, IF you're going to dig this year, consider digging the bog portion at the same time (maybe you're renting equip, have help?) just so you don't have to disrupt the pond next year from all you're going to do THIS year! Unless you're thinking of an all-above-ground bog, then it won't matter that much.

When I expanded, I knew I was going to enlargen my bog too and wanted only the one liner for all, which helps keep wicking and leaking issues to a minimum. So there, that's the nudge! Otherwise, not trying to force a bog on you!

Good luck!
 
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Your system design looks good . The only questions are where are water table heights compared to fitting g and pumps.View attachment 137798
Wow, thanks for that GBBUDD

I was going to use rubber connections in and out of the pump and the filter would that be ok or would I need nutted unions?

From having laid a water supply pipe to the front of my house a couple of years ago (5ft deep) I didn't hit the water table, so I'm assuming I will be ok at the back of the house. The pond will be 4ft deep and pump likely to be 2 1/2 to 3ft does that sound ok?

Thank you so much for taking the time to provide the diagram, it's really helpful and very kind of you

Keith
 
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It's all good! Only one further note, maybe you'll consider it a nudge, but from re-reading your posts, IF you're going to dig this year, consider digging the bog portion at the same time (maybe you're renting equip, have help?) just so you don't have to disrupt the pond next year from all you're going to do THIS year! Unless you're thinking of an all-above-ground bog, then it won't matter that much.

When I expanded, I knew I was going to enlargen my bog too and wanted only the one liner for all, which helps keep wicking and leaking issues to a minimum. So there, that's the nudge! Otherwise, not trying to force a bog on you!

Good luck!
Thanks brokensword. Ah, hadn't thought of that. I'll do some reading up on bogs over the coming weeks. From the pics I've seen they look fab.

Thanks again for taking the time to reply and share your knwoledge.

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Hello and welcome! Agree, way more complicated than it has to be.
Hi TurtleMommy

Thank you, it's a great forum, really helpful, friendly and not stuck up (unlike some forums).

Thank you for taking the time to reply, I'm rapidly increasing my knowledge.

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Fernwood your referring to are not as reliable as is a threaded union. On a small garden pond I'd see no problem but on a 4 foot deep design it's Unions all the way.
If you pump is below water level ball valves are crucial if not two from the pond toward the pump incase one gets clogged.
 
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It's nice that you already have the equipment. That's a major leg up.

My pond has an aerated bottom drain and water is drawn from there and from the skimmer. Those 2 pipes are joined right before they get to the pump. Then the water can go either through a series of UV lights, or those can be bypassed. Then it goes to a large pressure filter and back out to the top of a waterfall where it runs back into the pond. We haven't used the UV lights for a few years now, so the water goes right from the pump to the filter.

The skimmer is directly across the pond from the waterfall. There is also a float switch in the skimmer that will cut the pump off if the water level happens to fall to a certain level. That should keep the pond from getting pumped dry if there is some diversion of water somewhere.

The filtration system is in our garage and there is limited space there. So it's pretty well packed in. This is how it looks:

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Pipe from the bottom drain is on the right in the picture. Pipe from the skimmer in is the middle, and the pipe next to the filter is the return to the pond.

Hope that is of some help. My nudge would be that I wouldn't have a pond without a bottom drain, but that's my preference. It certainly is not everyone's and we are all entitled to our own ways of doing things. As long as it works for you, it's all good.

This is also my first and only pond, so I've not done it any other way. I'm very pleased with the results, as are most people here with the choices they have made.
 
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It's nice that you already have the equipment. That's a major leg up.

My pond has an aerated bottom drain and water is drawn from there and from the skimmer. Those 2 pipes are joined right before they get to the pump. Then the water can go either through a series of UV lights, or those can be bypassed. Then it goes to a large pressure filter and back out to the top of a waterfall where it runs back into the pond. We haven't used the UV lights for a few years now, so the water goes right from the pump to the filter.

The skimmer is directly across the pond from the waterfall. There is also a float switch in the skimmer that will cut the pump off if the water level happens to fall to a certain level. That should keep the pond from getting pumped dry if there is some diversion of water somewhere.

The filtration system is in our garage and there is limited space there. So it's pretty well packed in. This is how it looks:

View attachment 137816

Pipe from the bottom drain is on the right in the picture. Pipe from the skimmer in is the middle, and the pipe next to the filter is the return to the pond.

Hope that is of some help. My nudge would be that I wouldn't have a pond without a bottom drain, but that's my preference. It certainly is not everyone's and we are all entitled to our own ways of doing things. As long as it works for you, it's all good.

This is also my first and only pond, so I've not done it any other way. I'm very pleased with the results, as are most people here with the choices they have made.

Wow, love it. Thanks, WaterGardener, that's really helpful

Kindest regards

Keith
 
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Fernwood your referring to are not as reliable as is a threaded union. On a small garden pond I'd see no problem but on a 4 foot deep design it's Unions all the way.
If you pump is below water level ball valves are crucial if not two from the pond toward the pump incase one gets clogged.

Ah Ok, thanks GBBUDD, Really appreciate your advice, I will heed it.

Keith
 
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Sorry not fern wood damn spell check Fernco
 
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I know, they’re a right pain, I’ve sent some howlers in the past!!
 
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I'm using one of those Fernco rubber couplings. It's held up for a year out in the weather, but I'm second guessing myself so I bought a PVC union to replace it. No telling when that rubber is going to pop!
 
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my 2c: i have a bottom drain that goes to an external pump that has a leaf filter before it.
That leaf filter does capture a lot of stuff in it... i did not have a skimmer... but have since added one of those floating skimmers and now that catches a lot of that stuff, but if you have any kind of trees or neighbors that have trees or have any chance of wind blowing stuff, i suggest adding a skimmer and the drain.
If you do go that route of drain to external pump - add a check valve... dont be like me and stuck with no check valve and having to figure out how to do that now - it will help with any time you have to stop the pump and you wont have to sit and prime the external pump.

I do also have a small submersible pump that i am trying for something else (going to feed to an external elevated type bog that i will make soon), but i did the submersible pump and all in one filters etc. They are a pain and a mess... and as you get older you will appreciate not having to have things in the pond you have to pull out later...
 
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As far as the fernco couplings are concerned, I have been using them on my filters for over 20 years and some of them are over 15 years old. I even have a 90° one that has been on my filter for over 15 year. Never had one fail!
BTW- 2 above ground koi ponds totalling almost 10,000 gallons- no bottom drains, no skimmers and no waterfalls other than water returning from filters.
 

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