Thinking about it...

[Don't Be Koi With Me]

Hey, all.
I'm not a pond guy AT ALL, although I'm a fairly experienced aquarist.
Long story short, my wife thinks it's about time to take down some tanks and make some room around the house. I've been reading about stock tank ponds and was contemplating getting one for the backyard so as to still "be in the fish game."
I am thinking about a Tuff Stuff 110 and maybe a dozen goldfish (Shubbies, Moors, Comets, evenly).
Would this tub suffice? I'm aware of the fish per gallon rule for aquariums but not for "ponds".
Any help would be greatly appreciated...
And met with many more questions!
Let's roll!!!

 

[MoonShadows]

Welcome DBKWM...Funny user name!
I'm rather new to all this too, so I will defer to someone with the knowledge rather then guess an answer.

 

[Becky]

Welcome to the forum!

 

[Meyer Jordan]

I'm aware of the fish per gallon rule for aquariums but not for "ponds".

"Fish per gallon" is a completely inaccurate method of determining the sustainable fish population in any venue....cup, bowl, tub, aquarium, pond, etc.!
Are these small fish? Large fish? young fish (still growing)?

Total fish mass (weight) as relates to total surface area available for nitrifying bacteria is the correct method for determining maximum fish load.

 

[MoonShadows]

Is there an equation to figure this out, Meyer?

 

[Meyer Jordan]

Is there an equation to figure this out, Meyer?

Start here--
http://www.russellwatergardens.com/calculations/how-many-fish-can-i-have-in-my-pond/

 

[sissy]

Welcome and you need to think about a filter and remember the fish will have babies also .My tank I use for plants and baby fish I give away is one of those

 

[TAHOE]

Welcome
I have done a fair share of aquariums and I do not agree with the 1" per gallon rule.

I have a 100 gal rubbermaid livestock animal trough in my basement currently housing my goldfish while my pond is under going a renovation.I had about 20 in it, these are 4-6 yr old fish ranging from 4-8" so pretty large. I had a 12 hour electric outage and lost 12 of them ( we now have a generator for the next time). That being said, I have a 30 gal pickle drum converted in to a bio filter with lava rock and it held up to the old fish load. I also use it outside on my 150 gal pond.
If you can, over size the filter and you should be fine.

Are you wanting this to be moveable or have you considered actually putting a pond in the ground? You can find a lot of use 100-200 gal plastic preforms on cragislist. If you want it to be raise, build a frame around it using treated wood, did that for one that i used as an indoor turtle pond.

 

[Gordo33]

Welcome it's nice to have another aquarist diving into the pond world. Although ponds have their unique needs many of the basics from keeping aquariums apply to ponds. Just at a larger scale. Aquariums use sumps to increase water volume and filtration. The same concept can be applied to the stock tank using planters or other containers if the water parameters dictate a need to increase water volume and filtration . Good luck with your pond

 

[Don't Be Koi With Me]

Welcome
I have done a fair share of aquariums and I do not agree with the 1" per gallon rule.

I have a 100 gal rubbermaid livestock animal trough in my basement currently housing my goldfish while my pond is under going a renovation.I had about 20 in it, these are 4-6 yr old fish ranging from 4-8" so pretty large. I had a 12 hour electric outage and lost 12 of them ( we now have a generator for the next time). That being said, I have a 30 gal pickle drum converted in to a bio filter with lava rock and it held up to the old fish load. I also use it outside on my 150 gal pond.
If you can, over size the filter and you should be fine.

Are you wanting this to be moveable or have you considered actually putting a pond in the ground? You can find a lot of use 100-200 gal plastic preforms on cragislist. If you want it to be raise, build a frame around it using treated wood, did that for one that i used as an indoor turtle pond.

Hey, Tahoe. Thanks for the reply.
I too don't agree with the 1" per gallon rule, just using that as a topic generator for a pond estimate.
As for the filter I made an easy internal filter that should move roughly 250-275 gph.
Here's a link to vid I posted on the tube (can I do that?)

I'll also be running about 125 gph through another filter that will drain into pond from a mini wine barrel (same deal as bucket except external.)
What is the recommended turnover rate for
ponds?

I'm not ready for an in ground pond just yet. So I am gonna build a frame for the tub. Actually, I'll probably tile the damn thing in after backerboarding the frame (give me a little more practice on my tile work!) So it won't be going anywhere until i smash it.

I plan on having some plants in the substrate as well as a couple on some small shelves I've made.

Thoughts?

 

[MitchM]

Welcome!

You're essentially setting up an outdoor aquarium, with a few differences to keep in mind:

-You won't have any control over heat. The sun, wind and your geographical location will determine that.
-There will be a constant flow of organic material into your pond - dust, leaves, bird droppings, bugs, etc.
-Turnover is typically 2x/hour for ponds, but if you're doing a substrate with plants the turnover can be much less. It depends on what plants you are going to choose. Typical garden soil with a gravel cap will work. If you're going to have a lily, they are fine in basic clay or kitty litter.
-shubunkins are too big for that container.
-set up your pond keeping in mind how it will do during your winter.
-I would recommend a max of 6 small fish, no more.

 

[TAHOE]

I always like a good DIY build.
I put my submersible pump in a filter box with some coarse matting( actually it's floor scrubber pads) and I find that it clogs really quick, especially during an algae bloom. It's a pain to pull out and clean just the small box, I would believe yours may be a real pain to clean if it's down inside the pond. Keep us posted once you get something up and running

 

[sissy]

you can get reusable furnace filters from lowes .they are blue

 

[peter hillman]

Pleased to meet you. Many of us kept aquariums before ponds. I think it's a lot easier and far less expensive than the reef tank I was running. Once you've acquired your vessel and hardware it shouldn't cost much more. Check your local craigslist for pond supplies, I sold my fathers entire system there for $50.

 

[Don't Be Koi With Me]

Pleased to meet you. Many of us kept aquariums before ponds. I think it's a lot easier and far less expensive than the reef tank I was running. Once you've acquired your vessel and hardware it shouldn't cost much more. Check your local craigslist for pond supplies, I sold my fathers entire system there for $50.

There are few things that are more expensive than running a reef!
LoL
I've got most of the materials I need laying around. I'm hoping my DIY filter(s) cuts the mustard. I'm sure it will as it should turn over the tub roughly 3.5-4 times an hour.
I've made dozens of filters over the years and the process is the same for a pond, if I understand correctly.
Thanks for the reply!