Hi, all. Not sure where to start, but I'll start with the problem, then do background. And I'll stick to the water issue as the 'question' and put others in other threads if necessary...here goes (also, trying to figure out how to add photo, but I'm posting first cuz I can't figure that out).
Got API master kit today, tested water coming fresh outta the waterfall. pH is 9.0, but nitrates, phosphates and ammonia were zero, almost zero and/or perfectly centered in suggested range.
It's clear as a bell; we've kept up on Algaefix & string removal more consistantly than last year, so I dove in & added three 4" koi 10 days ago (vs. buying cheaper goldfish; we knew we'd try fish this year)...thus the new test kit. I've used a good clarifier a lot in the past, but I've been out for about 2 weeks (and we never 'regular' with it). I do Algaefix on Saturdays, today's a Wednesday, if that matters. We have 'good well-water'; not much iron or TDS, pH is 8.0 and we top it off pond from the hose & rain helps when it can.
It's our 2nd summer in house we bought that's pond was built about 3 years prior to that. Last year, we had 5 or more frogs that moved in, but no fish. Good Savio skimmer filter system, we treated & removed string algae & kept it clean, but never really cared about water chemistry as long as it didn't stink. Installers/contractors drained & 'mucked' pond last fall, then we tried to use a tarp as cover to catch leaves, but it sunk over the winter, which forcred us to drain & dig it out, thus doing a really good job of removing a most of the leaves/gunk from bottom.
Cute story; teen kids started digging pond as surprise for single dad, got QUICKLY overwhelmed & called in pros who did 95% of build. No concrete or blocks, just a hole in dirt with large rocks anchoring membrane(s?), which is covered by rocks & pebbles to form the bowl. They actually were planning on keeping bass in pond, so it's pretty deep at center (maybe 3.75 feer or so). As you see in photo, it's 10' x 16' oval & I'd liken the profile of the 'bowl' to be that of a large egg (half), if that makes any sense. Online volume-calculators put it between 2500 and 3000 gals. It's pretty darn shady; ash tree overhangs about 1/2 of it, other trees nearby, so we drain the basket in the Savio a LOT in fall (leaves) and spring (seeds/pods from trees). The waterfall part is Savio too; it's a well w/a lot of plastic ribbon filling it (filter media), and we run the pump 24/7, so aeration is good (right?).
Finally, there's a large...about 3.5' x 3.'00 or so...half-barrel-ish fish-hide built into the bottom center of the pond (black plastic, open on both ends,thickish & kind of corrugated....like an underwater quonset hut). Kind of an issue; my 10 day old koi are ALWAYS in there...I mean, I have to get a rake deep inside to get them to scurry out, do a quick lap & dash back into the cave, and it's so big sometimes I think they just stay inside it, move to the sides & laugh at me. My wife keeps saying they must have died, but all 3 look OK, but they haven't eaten any of the few food-pellets we've thrown in (kinda hard to see the food if you hide in a huge pipe...but I'd think they've been conditioned to eating pellets from the surface because they were raised in a tank with dozens of other store.
I got them from a good pond-source near me; Lurvey's Garden Center in DesPlaines IL; good people, great selection. Two frogs this year...I think a few died under the tarp that sank (suffocation?).
SO, do I want to do something 'chemical' to lower the pH PRETTY quickly, for the sake of the fish? How...and what can/should I then do to create a 'buffer' to keep it steady? Some sites say vinegar is good, some says it's the worst...same for muriatic acid; there's no consensus! I know that due to it's location, plant biomatter will always be an issue, but we do a good job of keeping it as clean as possible, so I don't think I can cure do this just by working harder/smarter on cleaning; it is what it is. I'm thinking a vacuum might help...thoughts?
So please, fire away with thoughts & advise on water issue, whether I should chop out a large portion...not all...of the fish-hide (is that right term) and/or any other general advice you have!! THANKS!
Dean
Got API master kit today, tested water coming fresh outta the waterfall. pH is 9.0, but nitrates, phosphates and ammonia were zero, almost zero and/or perfectly centered in suggested range.
It's clear as a bell; we've kept up on Algaefix & string removal more consistantly than last year, so I dove in & added three 4" koi 10 days ago (vs. buying cheaper goldfish; we knew we'd try fish this year)...thus the new test kit. I've used a good clarifier a lot in the past, but I've been out for about 2 weeks (and we never 'regular' with it). I do Algaefix on Saturdays, today's a Wednesday, if that matters. We have 'good well-water'; not much iron or TDS, pH is 8.0 and we top it off pond from the hose & rain helps when it can.
It's our 2nd summer in house we bought that's pond was built about 3 years prior to that. Last year, we had 5 or more frogs that moved in, but no fish. Good Savio skimmer filter system, we treated & removed string algae & kept it clean, but never really cared about water chemistry as long as it didn't stink. Installers/contractors drained & 'mucked' pond last fall, then we tried to use a tarp as cover to catch leaves, but it sunk over the winter, which forcred us to drain & dig it out, thus doing a really good job of removing a most of the leaves/gunk from bottom.
Cute story; teen kids started digging pond as surprise for single dad, got QUICKLY overwhelmed & called in pros who did 95% of build. No concrete or blocks, just a hole in dirt with large rocks anchoring membrane(s?), which is covered by rocks & pebbles to form the bowl. They actually were planning on keeping bass in pond, so it's pretty deep at center (maybe 3.75 feer or so). As you see in photo, it's 10' x 16' oval & I'd liken the profile of the 'bowl' to be that of a large egg (half), if that makes any sense. Online volume-calculators put it between 2500 and 3000 gals. It's pretty darn shady; ash tree overhangs about 1/2 of it, other trees nearby, so we drain the basket in the Savio a LOT in fall (leaves) and spring (seeds/pods from trees). The waterfall part is Savio too; it's a well w/a lot of plastic ribbon filling it (filter media), and we run the pump 24/7, so aeration is good (right?).
Finally, there's a large...about 3.5' x 3.'00 or so...half-barrel-ish fish-hide built into the bottom center of the pond (black plastic, open on both ends,thickish & kind of corrugated....like an underwater quonset hut). Kind of an issue; my 10 day old koi are ALWAYS in there...I mean, I have to get a rake deep inside to get them to scurry out, do a quick lap & dash back into the cave, and it's so big sometimes I think they just stay inside it, move to the sides & laugh at me. My wife keeps saying they must have died, but all 3 look OK, but they haven't eaten any of the few food-pellets we've thrown in (kinda hard to see the food if you hide in a huge pipe...but I'd think they've been conditioned to eating pellets from the surface because they were raised in a tank with dozens of other store.
I got them from a good pond-source near me; Lurvey's Garden Center in DesPlaines IL; good people, great selection. Two frogs this year...I think a few died under the tarp that sank (suffocation?).
SO, do I want to do something 'chemical' to lower the pH PRETTY quickly, for the sake of the fish? How...and what can/should I then do to create a 'buffer' to keep it steady? Some sites say vinegar is good, some says it's the worst...same for muriatic acid; there's no consensus! I know that due to it's location, plant biomatter will always be an issue, but we do a good job of keeping it as clean as possible, so I don't think I can cure do this just by working harder/smarter on cleaning; it is what it is. I'm thinking a vacuum might help...thoughts?
So please, fire away with thoughts & advise on water issue, whether I should chop out a large portion...not all...of the fish-hide (is that right term) and/or any other general advice you have!! THANKS!
Dean
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