Save my Fish!

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  1. ZmanArt007

    ZmanArt007 Fish Keeper and Filmmaker

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    My largest female is having some serious problems. A couple weeks ago, I noticed she was looking thin, but she had spawned earlier this summer, so I didn't think much of it. Then, she started moving slow. I have been treating the pond weekly with antibacterial, and my levels are normal. Two days ago, I stressed my fish out trying to catch most of the fry to sell. I noticed that I caught my female easily and accidentally many times.

    Today, I found her laying on her side at the bottom of the pond, breathing rapidly. She can't even sit up anymore, let alone swim! I have her in quarantine now, and am treating it with salt and FritzGuard, which contains Vitamin E and Aloe Vera for healing

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    Please Help! Urgent!
     
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    Poor fishy!. In my opinion, she seems to have a severe case of fin and tail rot and septicemia. I would treat with Melafix, Pimafix, and salt and try to get her to eat some medicated food for bacterial infections. Is she interested in eating right now?
     
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    ZmanArt007 Fish Keeper and Filmmaker

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    She's only interested in breathing upside down right now... What is septicemia? I just used the last of my Melafix on her. I need to head over to petsmart soon!
     
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    anitapond

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    Septicemia is when the infection has invaded the bloodstream. That's why you see streaks of blood in her fins and blotches of blood on her body. When treating with Melafix and Pimafix, be sure to have plenty of oxygen in the tank. Good luck! I really hope you can help her.
     
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    fishin4cars True friends just call me Larkin Moderator

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    Septicemia
    Septicemia is like dropsy in that it is an internal infection and kills from within. It's like a food poisoning of sorts when bacteria gets into the internal organs of koi and goldfish and makes them sick. Koi and goldfish can certainly die from it.
    How to Recognize, Treat and Prevent Septicemia in Your Koi or Goldfish Pond
    Septicemia is an internal infection and is hard to recognize and diagnose. Bacteria invades the fish's internal organs and, unless the infection is cleared up, it will eventually kill the fish. It's not contagious and often only one or two fish will have it.
    Recognizing Septicemia
    Septicemia has only a few symptoms that clue you in that it could be the problem. The fish will not act right - after all - they are sick. They may lie on the bottom with their fins clamped, stop eating, get ulcers, fin rot and die. These same symptoms occur in many other koi and goldfish sicknesses so how do you know if it's septicemia instead of one of the other ailments? Most fish with septicemia will have red streaks running through their bodies and fins. The anus might swell up and the fish might look "constipated".
    Always test the water for ammonia and nitrites before assuming your koi or goldfish has septicemia. Nitrite poisoning creates red streaks too.
    Knowing when and what the koi or goldfish ate within the last week may also give us a clue. During the transient times between winter and spring and fall and winter the temperature of the water might plummet suddenly. The bodily functions of koi and goldfish are controlled by water temperature and they are unable to digest food when the water is cold. Any proteins left inside the digestive tract when the water temperature plummets could turn rancid and infect the digestive tract with bacteria. This is one possible and probably the most frequent cause of septicemia.
    Treating Septicemia
    Clearing up the infection is a must or the fish will continue to suffer and die. If he will eat, feed the fish nothing but triple antibiotic food for two solid weeks. He must be kept in a warm environment during this time (above 68 degrees F) or the antibiotics in the food will not work. While treating him and feeding him this antibiotic food you should have him in a hospital tank that is treated with salt. Salt will encourage his own natural slime coat to develop which is natural protection against all sorts of problems. Excellent water quality must be maintained during this time especially so any secondary complications such as ulcers or fin rot will not become a problem.
    Advanced koi-keepers may opt to inject the fish with antibiotics. External treatments will not work for a fish affected with septicemia because it is an internal infection. If ulcers are present you then would want to treat externally for them.
    Emergency Procedures
    1. Perform a salt treatment.
    2. Begin feeding with triple antibiotic food.
    What to Expect Next
    There should be no affects to linger from septicemia but secondary infections such as ulcers and fin rot may pop up during or after the septicemia is treated because his immunity system is compromised during this time making it harder for his system to battle bad bacteria always present in any pond environment.
    Preventing Septicemia
    Like with most koi and goldfish afflictions, a healthy pond environment is the key to prevention. A pond can never have too much biological filtration. Make sure the filter you have is sufficient (and even more than sufficient) for your fish load. We use the ProBead because it gives us excellent water quality and low-maintenance.
    Do not feed the fish when the water temperature is (or is expected to be) below 50 degrees F. During the transient times when the water temperature may plummet quickly feed wheat germ-based foods and feed them sparingly. Wheat germ has less proteins and is digested quicker and easier by koi and goldfish.
    Keep bad bacteria at bay. Don't line the bottom of the pond with rocks so there are less areas where muck can hide and collect. Over time muck collections in the pond become a breeding grounds of anaerobic (bad) bacteria.
     
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    ZmanArt007 Fish Keeper and Filmmaker

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    Thank you for your help, but I've lost her.
     
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    j.w I Love my Goldies

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    I'm so sorry Zman :sad: You did your best for her.
     
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    I'm so sorry for your loss.
     
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    ZmanArt007 Fish Keeper and Filmmaker

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    The biggest impact is that it was my largest female, and she was the first large I have ever lost.
     
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    addy1 water gardener / gold fish and shubunkins Moderator

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    darn sorry for you and your fish
     
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    Hate to hear you lost her, It's all part of pond keeping and it's never easy. Hopefully you learned something that will help later on, either to help yourself and your pond or to help another pond keeper. I really do hate to hear you lost her but if there is a little good thing out of losing a large fish, It makes room for a couple of smaller replacements for next year.
     
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    So sorry she didn't make it........
     
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    Sorry for your loss, Septicemia is very hard to cure. One has to be extremely carefull with it since it is one of the posible disease that can actually be passed on to you from a fish so be very carefull next time (hopefully never) see it.
     
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