New owner of defunct Waterfall

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    RobAmy

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    Beautiful project ahead of you. Some great rocks
     
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    Ah! The old 'guaranteed-to-crack' poured concrete pond.
    I must agree with Lisak1. Demoing the concrete basins and replacing the concrete with 45 mil EPDM is the surest dependable solution. Patching cracked concrete, although it may be satisfactorily done, will leak again at some future date. The costs for each option may be similar but permanent results will only be achieved using an EPDM liner.
     
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    morewater President, Raccoon Haters International

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    True. All he's got to do to accomplish that is completely de-construct, then reconstruct. Still no scale as to the stones, but I do think that large equipment will be needed. Large equipment equals larger dollars.
     
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    If that is a 42"railing, then those are 5 and 6 foot diameter boulders.
    An excavator and a crew that knows what they're doing would definitely be needed.
     
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    Agreed - it won't be easy. But do it once and you'll never have to worry about it again. And you've already got everything in place and know the end result will be fantastic!
     
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    morewater President, Raccoon Haters International

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    That's a big job that will require at the very least an excavator/backhoe capable of lifting and shifting 2 tons, that's a full-size machine, no Kioti or Kubota. Coupled with the slope and the purported rainfall amounts, it is a challenge. Machines are going to tear up the surrounding landscape in the process of doing this work, that will need to be repaired on the way out as will a diversionary system constructed downslope.

    In order to place an EPDM, the entire stream course needs to be dismantled, the new course dug (in stepped form), padded, then lined. The stones are a bit of a challenge given their dimensions, many would need to be split. It will require some careful thought and planning as to the stone placement. You'll need to determine where you'll place the stones while this work is being done. Don't stack them. The one you want right now will always be on the bottom. It always amazes me that people use stone of such dimensions that lifting or moving it at some point in the future will require heavy equipment.

    As to the pool at the end of the watercourse, that's the easiest part. Simply pad it and line it. I'd be interested to see if there's a bottom drain in that pool. There's no mention of any type of filtration for this set-up, either.

    Any way that you flip it, this is going to be an expensive one. There was no mention of budget, either which I why I suggested the fill/patch route. It might not be perfect, but it's relatively easy and will have it up and running with the least amount of effort and the least amount of dollars in the least amount of time. At least it'll be running until such time as budget permits the liner-route. My fix suggestion could last for many years, after all, those stones have been settling for some time.
     
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    Yep.
    I would work work with what was there first before I would attempt a rebuild.
    (Unless money was no object. Nothing wrong with that)
     
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    morewater President, Raccoon Haters International

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    Hence my suggestion for working with what's there. Sometimes the patch is the best way forward.

    Imagination is limited only by budget. You don't need a 12guage to hunt mosquitos. It's effective but the collateral damage...............
     
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