Can either koi or shubunkin goldfish mate with plecostomus?

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    capewind

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    Buying fishtanks LOOK good, but they can be pricey. If you have a basement or garage to use, I would get a 60" plastic kiddie pool for $10-15 ...full, this size kiddie pool will hold 100 gallons of water... screw 5-6 sheet rock screws down in the rim to hold deer netting to make sure no one jumps out... I can post a pic if you need one... have 3 set up right now LOL. With a bit of trimming at the pools edge, you can also stick an old aqua clear type filter (the type that hangs off the back of a fish tank) onto the kiddie pool, or an in tank style filter... or no filter at all if you want to run a small air pump and just do regular water changes...
     
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    Ummm... Sorry, no basement. We are, according to my husband, about 10 feet above sea level. Although, believe it or not, I have one of those pools that we use in the summer for our cats. I have a ten gallon aquarium but really think that will NOT be large enough. I figure if I start saving my pennies now, by autumn I should be able to get a larger tank. I am a thrift shop addict and putchased the 10 gallon for $2. I really do like your idea though. Thank you.
     
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    My apology to CountryEscape. Our pond is completely underground.
     
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    LOL... My foundation sits literally 2' above water/sea level (located on Cape Cod)... was determined to have a basement when we built the new house. We have a 750 gallon quarantine pond in the basement, my kiddie pools are actually in my kitchen, but figure most wouldnt go for that LOL.

    I wouldnt dare go as small as a ten gallon for ONE 5" pleco, for more than a week or two for a quarantine or treatment tank... just not big enough, not to mention, they still have a lot of growing to do...
     
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    Thoughts on a 25 gallon...
     
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    Not too favorable thoughts here... I was going to suggest possibly a 40 gallon breeder tank (18" x 36" x 12 "H) but thought that would be really pushing it for so many. MAYBE they might do ok, but even back in our days of fish tanks (started with a 5 gallon with one very fat pleco, ended with a 180 gallon marine/reef) and my own habit of overcrowding, it is really pushing the limits. You could probably get away with it with a couple of filters and weekly water changes, but if the water quality goes bad, it can happen fast and you would be up sh*ts creek in a hurry. At their present size, it would be tight, and they still have growing to do yet... Maybe others will have container ideas that take up less room than a kiddie pool, but will still give them a bit of room...
     
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    Lola, sorry, I've been on vacation, just got back on-line. The 25 or 29/30 gal size aquarium will do fine for your 3 plecos. No need to get something huge for what you want for the winter only, then planning to put them back into the pond.
    FYI, I had a 6" pleco I put in my pond last summer, it grew to 12" or more (went side to side and then an inch on a 3.5 gal bucket). Sold it, as I didn't want to put it into my 29 high gal aquarium which I had set up for tropical. I now have a very small albino pleco in the goldfish pond, and he has not grown at all like the larger common type, so it's maybe 3". It will have to come in, and will go into my 55 gal tropical aquarium. I bought a 55 gal for $45 on Craigs List, so watch for them, people have them all the time really cheap.
    As far as filtration, use normal type of aquarium filtration. Although plecos DO produce more waste than most tropical fish, they don't produce any more than goldfish, so not sure why Capewind is suggesting such a large container for 3 - 5" fish. :) Once you get the water bacteria started (BTW, you can use your pond water to get it seeded, if that is all you will have in the tank ...), there should not be much in the way of water changes. I have a 55 gal with about 15 fish ranging from large angels (2), killifish, assorted plecos (3) and cory cats (5), platys, rummy nose tetras and another tetra type, and 4 or 5 loaches. I do vacuum the bottom only about once a month, when I add water when the level gets low. I'm a firm believer that if you have the correct bacteria going, water changes are not as necessary. However, that being said, I know most do much more often water changes, and it's needed. My water is crystal clear, anad have not lost any fish in a very long time.
    So ... if all you are looking for is a place to house the 5" plecos, a 30 gal would be plenty in my opinion. If you are looking for cheap, find any type of tote for cheap, set up some type of hang-on-the-back filter and you're set. Or, use bubbler, and vacuum the waste from the bottom once every week or two. Voila. :)
    I had a kiddie pool in my basement last winter, as I purchased 14 small koi (4-6") and didn't want to put them outside in December when they were delivered. It worked well, looked very rinky dink, but all that mattered is that it worked.
    And, I'm pretty sure plecos are not prone to jump, but maybe others have had them jump. They tend to be bottom dwellers. Now, if you put koi in a shallow kiddie pool like I did, they definitely need a net for the first few days when they are likely to jump from fright. Once they settled down, the net came off and I never lost one.
    Good luck!!!
     
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    j.w I Love my Goldies

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    Welcome back CE and hope ya had fun!
     
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    Hi Country... I was thinking from the perspective that they are still growing and are dirtier than the average tropicals, and ongoing maintenance. My first thought was a kiddie pool, as they are cheap and work great, but they dont have the room for it.
     
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    hi lola, good luck with your pond, plecos, and indoor aquarium. The issue with Koi is they get two feet or longer. I'm not sure how big your pond is but usually they are not suited for any pond under 1000 gallons otherwise the waste they produce will be lethal to any fish in a pond that has a standard type filtration system.
     
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    koiguy1969 GIGGETY-GIGGETY!!

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    piecos can survive down to 50*f ...they like the 70*s...but apparently can easily take the 50s... i know this because i have a pieco. and yes he winters indoors in my 800 gal wintering pond with my koi...hes over 5 years old and 20" long...healthy and active in my basement pond which is kept in the 50s. he spends 6 months a year there. i had 2 of them, but one got his head sucked on the end off a pump input hose that came off a prefilter, unbekownced to me and died. that one was 4 years old!
     
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