George Zimmerman Trial

[crsublette]

Who suggested they were self inflicted ?

If that is all the injuries required in the USA to indicate a life threatening event most school yard fights could end up with a justifiable shooting?

The attempt to minimize the injuries does suggest the irrelevance thus indicating he might as well self inflicted the injuries since "if that is all it takes justifiably shoot someone"

I guess the fella should have allowed himself to become unconscious so then he could have justifiablly shoot him. You do not have to a gash in the head to go unconscious.

 

[CdnJCR]

very true! I havent read all of this topic, and only have seen bits and pieces of the trial because the commentary makes me angree. IMHO, not that anyone cares mind you, the kid should not have been there in a gated community to begin with! The media and those Evangolist people are making it out to be like Zimmerman STALKED the kid, when in fact he was just doing his JOB! Doesnt matter if he was African American, White, Green, Blue or Purple, shouldn't have been there period! When did doing your job become stalking?!?

He was staying there yeah really a black guy in a gated community.

 

[Fishylove]

As far as his report not supporting the injuries, Zimmerman was fighting back, i mean, his resistantance would lessen the blows a bit. But if someone had your head in their hands, banging it into the concrete, I believe you would feel like it was a threat to your life, I Would Have.

 

[Fishylove]

He was staying there yeah really a black guy in a gated community.

Ok.. so he's was still doing his job by following him, if he didnt know who he was. And race should have no issue in this.

 

[CdnJCR]

This is a quote over a year ago from the lead detective - why did Zimmerman not identify himself possibly Trayvon was the one that was in fear for his life?

March 13, 2012 - Sanford Police Department's homicide detective Christopher Serino recommends Zimmerman be charged with manslaughter.
Zimmerman "failed to identify himself" as a concerned citizen or neighborhood watch member on two occasions that night. Serino reports that he thought Zimmerman's head injuries were "marginally consistent with a life-threatening episode, as described by him, during which neither a deadly weapon nor deadly force were deployed by Trayvon Martin."

 

[waynefrcan]

Some good points made and some twisting the known facts also.

Have any of you been in a fight for your life? Thats what Zimmerman thought it was. He must go crazy listening to all the talking heads that weren't there to get the head bashed in.

The black kid attacked first and was relentless, just like a MMA fight. It happened so fast all in what 30 seconds. Punch to the nose, knocked to the ground. Multiple punches to both sides of the head and face driving the head into the concrete. GZ screaming for help multiple times and no one came. The punk saying your going to die tonight with him GZ feeling about to black out. Only option in his mind was the gun or death at that point.

If the kid went home he would be alive today. Think about it folks.

 

[crsublette]

First of all, it is called "innoccent misrecollection". Often happens during tragic events, such as forgeting how to properly idenfity your self.

The idea that an unarmed man is not a "deadly weapon nor deadly force" with his fists... It's just amazing... I guess some folk have never been knocked unconscious in a fight.

 

[CdnJCR]

Some good points made and some twisting the known facts also.

Have any of you been in a fight for your life? Thats what Zimmerman thought it was. He must go crazy listening to all the talking heads that weren't there to get the head bashed in.

The black kid attacked first and was relentless, just like a MMA fight. It happened so fast all in what 30 seconds. Punch to the nose, knocked to the ground. Multiple punches to both sides of the head and face driving the head into the concrete. Screaming for help multiple times and no one came. The punk saying your going to die tonight with him feeling about to black out. Only option was the gun or death at that point.

If the kid went home he would be alive today. Think about it folks.

That is indeed the version put forward by Zimmerman lawyers and no one can prove otherwise since the "punk" is dead.

 

[capewind]

Thank you but MY point is the head can take some serious injury and show little to no evidence of it the inflicted trauma. Her accident wasnt just a minor fender bender. Her car (a 1998 Lexus) was T-boned/totaled by a 3500 series 4x4 GMC truck, at the drivers door. We all credited the steel bar in the door of the Lexus as why she wasnt hurt worse. The night of the accident, she was "only" DX'd with cervical strain (whiplash) and leg trauma (was pinned between the steering wheel and crushed in door) ... She has had to go back to the emergency room and PCP many times (lost count of the xrays, a CT scan, and 4 MRIs so far), saw the neurosurgeon again on Tuesday, and as I already posted, sees a neurologist on the 31st. I kid you not, there was not one visible bruise or even a scratch on her. My whole point is one would expect for the type of accident that she was involved in, there would have been SOME visible injury (her head either hit the drivers window or the HEADLIGHT of the truck, no glass outside of the car however, it was all INSIDE the car - we were on scene before the police or EMTs), but there was nothing at all VISIBLY wrong with her. I do not know if Zimmerman is 100% believable, but his LACK of injuries to me is not a concern. I see it as very possible to have such minimal injuries, and be fearful of grave damages being inflicted.

 

[CdnJCR]

First of all, it is called "innoccent misrecollection". Often happens during tragic events, such as forgeting how to properly idenfity your self.

The idea that an unarmed man is not a "deadly weapon nor deadly force" with his fists... It's just amazing... I guess some folk have never been knocked unconscious in a fight.

The question was why did he not identify himself on the two opportunities he had before the event turned tragic?

Under your definition every fist fight can justifiably end as a shooting as soon as one believes they are losing the fight?

 

[dieselplower]

First of all, it is called "innoccent misrecollection". Often happens during tragic events, such as forgeting how to properly idenfity your self.

The idea that an unarmed man is not a "deadly weapon nor deadly force" with his fists... It's just amazing... I guess some folk have never been knocked unconscious in a fight.

I have. But it took 3 guys with blunt object weapons. its a fact that there is misrecollection, or even no recollection at all at the point you are out cold.

 

[dieselplower]

Under your definition every fist fight can justifiably end as a shooting as soon as one believes they are losing the fight?

Lol he did not say that. Not even close.

 

[crsublette]

If the kid went home he would be alive today. Think about it folks.

Except, he didn't go home because the prosecution theorized that Trayvon thought Zimmerman some kind of a bad guy like serial killer and did not want him to follow him home, that is irregardless of the fact that the kid on his cell phone to his girl where he expressed aggravation of someone following and, as mentioned by the defense, gave impressions on the cellphone audio that he wanted to confont Zimmerman rather than go home.


That's the problem, all of the theorizing, with these type of self defense cases. Ya just hope someone is around to properly witness the fight, which there never was.

 

[waynefrcan]

Here it is people. This is MMA ground and pound like Zimmerman got which is backed up by facts. Only difference is the kid had GZ him in a worse defensive position.

 

[crsublette]

Under your definition every fist fight can justifiably end as a shooting as soon as one believes they are losing the fight?

Nope.