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Forget about trying to glue two pieces of liner together while it's in the pond, it just isn't going to work. I don't know how big the pond is but from what it looks like in the picture I wouldn't go more than 2 Koi. Plant some cover so the fish can hide and keep out of the sun. Also, try putting fishing line about 8 to 10 inches above the shoreline. When the heron feel it on their legs they don't like to go any closer. But if they are landing in the water that won't help. A net of lead might be your only choice.
 
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Not exactly sure how your seeing the conditions in gluing two pieces of liner together @mgmine . But it is entirely possible with some patience determination and planning. Case in point the videos more or less show how to seam the photos and text are what i did to put an extension onto my pond while the fish stayed in the pond i drained the pond approximately 24" pulled up the liner and the rest o the story is in the link
https://www.gardenpondforum.com/threads/seaming-epdm-liner.26807/
 
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Here is an idea for covering your pond. We use electrical conduit to make hoops over the pond and then cover with a net. We have 4 adult koi.
 
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Not exactly sure how your seeing the conditions in gluing two pieces of liner together @mgmine . But it is entirely possible with some patience determination and planning. Case in point the videos more or less show how to seam the photos and text are what i did to put an extension onto my pond while the fish stayed in the pond i drained the pond approximately 24" pulled up the liner and the rest o the story is in the link
https://www.gardenpondforum.com/threads/seaming-epdm-liner.26807/
Consider yourself lucky! Gluing two pieces of used rubber together and having it water-tight is a gamble at best. There are two many variables. Unless the cost of a new liner is over $500 I would just put a new one in. IF not maybe risk a hundred or so on a piece to glue in but be prepared to replace the whole liner in the future. just my HO
 
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Consider yourself lucky! Gluing two pieces of used rubber together and having it water-tight is a gamble at best. There are two many variables. Unless the cost of a new liner is over $500 I would just put a new one in. IF not maybe risk a hundred or so on a piece to glue in but be prepared to replace the whole liner in the future. just my HO
I agree. Why take a chance.
Do it right and once. Spend the time and money on a bigger liner.

The liner is the very basic component of your pond. Everything else is built up on top of that.
If the seam fails you will probably end up replacing the whole liner anyway. Everything has to come out, plants, fish, skimmers, waterfalls, everything.
 
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Agreed on a small pond barely bigger then a sheet of plywood absolutely get a new liner they are cheap enough thats one time being cheap could cost big. . But for those reading who don't have a small pond and need to seam will look at your statement and say it's not possible . it is entirely possible it just has to be practical.
 
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I use a net over my pond up high on posts so I can walk under it to get in if need be. It also hangs down the sides and I connect it to a short wire fence so critters can't get under it or through it. It is now as good as Fort Knox! It won't matter how deep your pond is for a heron. He/she will just walk up to the edge and wait forever till a fish comes to the surface and then jabs it. The bird has the patience of Job in the Bible,lol!

Wow ok so deeper really is not going to be a solution to stop the heron.From what everyone is writing perhaps some fishing line and maybe a decoy are a good bet. Thank you!
 
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It's not an easy task to join two liners. You need the proper kit for the type of liner material. The area has to be dry and hospital clean. You have to be careful you aren't stretching the material as you do it.

If I read it right, your koi are all gone.
If you don't want to dig another larger pond, it's the perfect time to restock with shubunkin instead of koi. Shubunkin are beautiful fish in the goldfish family. Colorful with long flowing fins. They don't get huge or excrete a tremendous amount of waste like koi do.
There are many other types of goldfish that are nice looking too. I have a few that have really nice flowing fins.

Unfortunately, a lot of people want a "koi pond", not realizing the enormous needs that koi require.
A lot of us found this out the hard way. Our cool little koi turn into huge 3 foot monsters with tremendous girth. Our filters suddenly can't handle the tremendous waste they produce, so our water quality suffers.

It's not the fault of new comers into the hobby, it's the way koi are presented in society, for lack of a better word. It's almost like the word koi is synonymous to garden ponding.
You really make some fantastic points here thank you. If I get the goldfish the dang heron is still going to be an issue. It sounds like I don’t have many options to protect the fish.
 
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Agreed on a small pond barely bigger then a sheet of plywood absolutely get a new liner they are cheap enough thats one time being cheap could cost big. . But for those reading who don't have a small pond and need to seam will look at your statement and say it's not possible . it is entirely possible it just has to be practical.

I have read several articles that it is possible but again a big risk should it not be absolutely perfectly done. I guess at the end of the day we are happy with this labor of love, it is 3’ in the dead center then about 20” for the rest of the pond. I just am kicking myself for not going deeper. My wife is already petrified that I might rip it up and start over and go deeper.
 
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I have read several articles that it is possible but again a big risk should it not be absolutely perfectly done. I guess at the end of the day we are happy with this labor of love, it is 3’ in the dead center then about 20” for the rest of the pond. I just am kicking myself for not going deeper. My wife is already petrified that I might rip it up and start over and go deeper.
I have to chuckle....many of us have spouses that are terrified we'll go bigger - LOL !
 
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I have to chuckle....many of us have spouses that are terrified we'll go bigger - LOL !
you DO know LPS is a real thing, right? Why do you think the spouses are terrified?? heh
 

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If I get the goldfish the dang heron is still going to be an issue
We have a rookery to the west of us, the herons fly over our pond daily, look down keep going. I bought a wide weave net, 4 inch holes, hung it about 2ish feet over the water. Barely notice it, the herons know it is there, they look down at the ponds and keep flying.
Before the net I tried fishing line, fencing, gator heads etc. Nothing stopped them.
 

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not even the mad prowlings of avian detector yorkies...it's sad....
lol our little yorkies can not be outside. We have owls, fox, hawks. The pups are hunters, they would get on a chase and be gone possibly forever. One mind set get that thing that is running. Even the deer.
 
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bet you'd have less deer-stream damage though, if you let the hounds loose....;)
 

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bet you'd have less deer-stream damage though, if you let the hounds loose....;)
They run just from them barking at them, well they used to, now the deer are realizing the bark is no danger. They just look, even at us, ignore!
 

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They run just from them barking at them, well they used to, now the deer are realizing the bark is no danger. They just look, even at us, ignore!
I know the feeling; prior to 15 years ago, I bet I saw ONE deer in 20 years here as there was enough woods surrounding (and I live in suburbia proper!). Then they built a bunch of houses and wiped out a whole swath of woods. Now, if I don't see deer daily, I'm surprised. And of course, in those first 20 years, I had NO garden damage. Now, I have to erect fences and spray regularly.

So, when I DO see any deer and they're in the yard, no amount of tapping/swinging my arms, cursing so the words penetrate glass, makes them move. I actually have to go out and practically chase them away, that's how confident they've become...sigh, it's a tragedy, I know. Makes me wish I HAD hounds to let loose...
 
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Shallow or deep, to me has more to do with the climate and whether your fish will freeze in the winter or boil in the summer. Here, boiling in the summer is what dictates a deeper pond (if not adequately shaded).
 
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