Pond Filtration Solution

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First post, hi guys. Trying to solve this for the summer.

At the moment we have a Hozelock:
http://spares.hozelock.com/product/ecomax-2200-uvc-uk/
+ a Hozelock hi-flow pump.

The pond is a Atlantis Barracuda:
http://www.worldofwater.co.uk/products/Atlantis-Glassfibre-pond-%2dBarracuda.html
2000litres/440gal.

The pond is constantly green unless we use additives and then it only goes clear for a temporary period. What would be a more heavy duty, almost guaranteed clear water solution? Price is no longer much of an object as long as it's less than £300...

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The filter box, per the description, has a uv light. Is it still good? I don't use them, but those that do say they work great for the single cell algae that turns your pond green. The do go bad i.e. quit working.

You could also build one of the diy filters to help clear your water. Check the diy section.
 

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a U.V thats working and is correctly plumbed will clear your water of the "green", single cell alge. and will do it in a few days. bulbs are generally good for 11 months use. but start loosing effectiveness after 8 months. but you need not use them once your water clears. they will take loner to work if the water flow thru them is too high. how are your readings on ammonias, nitries, and nitrates, ph .etc...? planting your pond can aid in keeping your water clearer as well, as plants compete with the alghe for the same food. when i used a U.V i used a tetrapond 9 watter on my 1200 gal pond and it cleared it in a couple days. i would run it for a week extra just for good measure. turn it off and disconnect it, clean it and store it til the next year. i put 1200 gph thru it....
 

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Thanks koi guy, hard to explain something you don't use. But I have read they do go bad after awhile.

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Hey guys,

Thanks for the help so far. I have a UV within the filter, and used to have an external UV. To be honest this is my late fathers pond and for as long as I've been alive we have had a green water problem so I'm not convinced these UV's do much, or at least the ones we've used.

We tried plants just before the winter and there is 40% lilly-pad cover.


Im definitely going down the pressurised water filter route, as I think the overkill solution will be best.

Too much oxygen won't hurt will it?
 

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you may very well have to replace your bulbs in the U.Vs....what kind of flow are you putting thru it or them? and what size or wattage are they? how long has it been since new bulbs were installed? they will continue to light up far after theyre rendered useless...
 
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UV is 100% effective against single cell algae (green water) if properly installed and maintained. All UV filters are basically the same. You can look to lots of other treatments but UV is the only one that is 100% effective in every case, assuming fish are present.

Too much O2 can kill fish, but pretty rare. One of the causes can be algae, green water. Most people who see green water think the water must be low O2. Algae are plants. It does depend where in the algae life cycle and also time of day. Google "Supersaturation of Dissolved Oxygen" and "fish gas bubble disease" if you want more info.
 
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you may very well have to replace your bulbs in the U.Vs....what kind of flow are you putting thru it or them? and what size or wattage are they? how long has it been since new bulbs were installed? they will continue to light up far after theyre rendered useless...
UV is 100% effective against single cell algae (green water) if properly installed and maintained. All UV filters are basically the same. You can look to lots of other treatments but UV is the only one that is 100% effective in every case, assuming fish are present.

Too much O2 can kill fish, but pretty rare. One of the causes can be algae, green water. Most people who see green water think the water must be low O2. Algae are plants. It does depend where in the algae life cycle and also time of day. Google "Supersaturation of Dissolved Oxygen" and "fish gas bubble disease" if you want more info.

The UV system I fitted went green after about a week..

I'm thinking that its not up to the job due to fish density. I'm looking at replacing it with a pressure filter like this:


http://www.swelluk.com/pond/pond-fi...ssurised-powerclenz-uvc-pond-filters-601.html

and one of these:

http://www.swelluk.com/pond/pond-pumps-62/fountain-pond-pumps-293/fish-mate-pond-pumps-787.html
 
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If you don't want to find the problem with the existing filter then sure, buying a new filter might solve the problem. There is a risk that the new filter won't do the job either if the problem wasn't anything to do with the filter. For example, if you're running too much water through. Or there's a build up on the bulb.

Fish density and how a UV filter works is completely unrelated. One has no effect on the other. Lots and lots of people like to say green water is caused by too many nutrients....never been true, very easy to test. Clear ponds have tons of nutrients. If you choose to believe junk you will have a long hard road.

In a properly installed UV the water coming out is almost devoid of life. General terms like UV sterilizer or UV clarifier are commonly used. These just mean water coming out of a sterilizer has killed about 99% of all algae cells and bacteria. A "clarifier" means some lower percentage. The difference between sterilizer and clarifier has nothing to do with the filter. It is solely the amount of water being pushed through the filter (assuming a working filter). A 10 watt UV can be a sterilizer if water is flowing slowly enough, while a 1000 watt UV may only be a clarifier if water is pushed through too fast. However, pushing a tiny bit of water through a 10 watt UV won't clear a 100,000 gal pond because it just can't get ahead of new growth.


So in a properly installed UV 99% of algae cells coming out of the filter are dead. At the end of say 24 hours virtually every single cell algae is dead (100% is impossible). However, just like when you cut the lawn the fresh cut clippings are still green, your pond will still appear green. Over the next day or so those dead algae will decompose, meaning bacteria will eat them. Given the new massive amount of food those bacteria will multiply rapidly (some bacteria populations can double every 10 minutes). From then on as new algae cells grow the large bacteria population will be able to attack and kill the new cells. Which is why the UV can be turned off, normally. Algae can attack the bacteria too, so it's a battle, and sometimes the algae can overtake the bacteria for various reasons.

Really dirty water (heavy algae load) will reduce UV effectiveness. Slowing the water down further will increase the UV effectiveness. A good pre filter can help. But normally it's heavy algae load causing the UV reduction so pre filters aren't that helpful. If the pre filter could block the algae there wouldn't be any need for the UV.

After the algae is decomposed you'll still have tiny brown corpses suspended in the water. They clump together to the size of ground pepper. I've had many cases where a pond owner calls this "green water" because it does have a greenish tinge to it. The color of algae ranges from a bright green at first bloom to forest green in mid cycle to brown green when dead. Inexperienced pond owners can have trouble telling the difference.

The easiest and most effective way to remove the dead algae is with small frequent water changes. There are specific fabric type filters that can remove this stuff but are totally dependent on the size of the matter. Again, it takes experience to tell the difference so fabric filters are hit and miss. Water changes are slow but always work. Lots and lots of people will tell you water changes will start a new algae bloom. Not true.

Water changes are much more effective if the bottom of the pond is cleaned first. A lot of the algae corpses settle to the bottom but are easily stirred up a suspended again.

About build up on the bulb...not common but I have seen the bulb frost over in just a few hours. I assumed it was some kind of calcium since acid cleaned it. A frosted bulb has to be cleaned repeatedly or the UV won't work.
 
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Seems it a 6 watt UV bulb, and a pump that handles 2000 LPH.

Previously we have had a dedicated 14w UV bulb (IIRC) and again we had green water.

The UV just doesn't seem to do anything. We have tried 50% water changes and had a week or so of clear water, then it comes back just as bad. The algae is thick on the bottom of the water and is a forest green colour.
 
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I think to get the best of my pond I am going to rephrase this question.


You have a 500gal outdoor pond, with lillies, direct sunlight and a high fish density (some koi, mostly carp anyway).

What is the ideal filter system for gin-clear water? Purchasing from www.swelluk.com

What is the ideal UV light?
What is the ideal flow rate?
What is the ideal filter system & media with least maintenance but maximum effect? (talking once a month clear out ideally, max every 2 weeks).

Answers on a post card! I want this to be perfect, so money is not really an object as long as it's sub £500.
 
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I was waiting until you became vocal that I've touched a nerve. Is it because I am not willing to cipher through information to get a straight cut yes or no answer? This is my second filter in 2 years and none have worked - that's why I am looking for a BIG solution that does the job perfectly.
 

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with that kind of fish load I really don't think you will get away with a low maintenance pond .Koi produce a lot of waste and grow fast .You would need at least 3 large barrel bio filters just to get it somewhat clean and a 18 uv since you get sun all the time.Not sure where you live or how deep your pond is .I have 2 filters 2 waterfalls and 2 pumps one is 940 gph and the other is 2900 gph and i have both split where some goes into the filter and the rest goes down the water fall .My pond is 8 ft wide by 20 ft long by 4 ft deep .I do not have a uv and I use cheap filter media of lava rock and put quilt batting on top to clean the fine stuff out of the water .But quilt batting has to be cleaned every 2 days
 

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