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Hi,

Could someone recommend a good and user friendly ph tester? I've been using drop method, but the color changes are getting harder to distinguish. My Ph may be floating from am to pm, so I'm looking to get one soon

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Hi, it is normal for ph to change from morning to evening. It is normally lower in the morning and raises throughout the day if I remember correctly. There is a scientific reason why I have read before but can't remember.

I cannot comment on a digital reader though.
 

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Plants create O2 during the day and C02 at night. Dissolved CO2 in water makes water more acidic and is at it's nadir before sunrise... then the pH will increase during the day as CO2 is used up and O2 is created during the day and cycle continues.

In some ways, that's the down side of algae and submerged oxygenators in the pond as they produce CO2 at night right. Having large surface area and waterfall can minimize this to oxygenate water with surface air.

In the salt reef tank I keep, I use a reverse light cycle in my sump to negate this, I keep algae with a grow light on at night to use up the CO2 created in the display tank at night. Don't think I can do something like this for my pond though...
 

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Yep, they summed it up. Also, check out, Ph Fluxuation? How to control?.


If you are using the wide range pH liquid tester, then you might get a more distinguishing color if you use low range pH liquid tester or a high range pH liquid tester. I think the API master freshwater test kit has both of these liquid testers. The low range liquid pH tester only tests within a range of 5.0~7.7 pH, best I can recall off hand. The high range liquid pH tester only tests within a range of 7.7~10, best I can recall off hand. So, you might get a more precise color when using the appropriate high or low range tester. The wide range pH tester is particularly helpful when trying to figure if to use the high or low range pH tester.


A digital pen instrument, such as the Martini, will test down to a measurement accuracy of +/-.05.

The liquid pH test kits have a measurement accuracy of +/-.2, that is assuming you are good at matching colors.

Test strip pH test kits have a measurement accuracy that is anybody's best guess, but I think it might be reasonable to assume near an accuracy of +/-.2.


Do not confuse resolution accuracy with measurement accuracy.


The liquid pH test kits are fine, but, if you are not comfortable with its accuracy, then a good pH digital pen instrument will generally cost more than $50. However, even with the digitial instruments, accuracy is never an infallible variable. It ultimately depends on the application and why you need to know a higher accuracy.


For the longest time I used the Milwaukee Martini pH 56, but now I use a different device. Here is the meter and it's replaceable electrode on amazon. These need to be properly stored if you want the readings to be accurate. None of these devices are gauranteed to never fail; so, if your readings are off, then be sure to call the manufacturer and they most often will switch out the diodes for free if it is within warranty. It is the electrode and diode that is important. The problem with the cheap pH meters is that there are no replaceable diodes and so you can not garauntee the quality of the device; this is meaning, when something goes wrong, then the entire device must be tossed and purchased again. Generally, the diodes is the most expensive component in these pH meters due to they all vary in durability, quality, and accuracy of results.

The problem with finding good digital equipment is that everyone will give competing opinions!! So, do your best to sift through all of the nonesense to make a good decision. I have had good luck with the Martini pH 56, but there have been others that have not had good luck with them.


The diode is the component that is the brains of these devices. If the diode is starting too fail, then the rest of the device becomes quite irrelevant. Proper storage ensure the diodes are hydrated and keeps its accuracy.

So, properly storing the diode is quite important. Do not use distilled water. Here's a good example of the usual storage instructions: How to Store, Clean, and Recondition pH Electrodes. Every manufacturer has a special storage solution to be used with their meters. All of these solutions have some concentration of potassium chloride in them and this causes the solution to evaporate rather quick, when this happens chloride salt crystals are formed. No worries. Simply just stir the diodes in some luke warm water to dissolve and release the crystals. Be very careful to not scratch the diodes.

If you want to skip the intricate cleaning instructures, which do yield better results when compared to the manufacturer recommendation, then you can simply just use the manufacturer recommended storage solution.

On the Martini, I actually screwed off the diod, wrapped the microchip connector end in plastic, with a piece of paper towel in it, and secured it with a very tight rubberband then filled a small tupperware container, with lid, to seal it tight and stored it in my refrigerator on the very bottom shelf. Be sure it does not tip over since you do not want the microchip connector to get wet.


The Maritini device is known as a pH pen instrument. If you want even better accuracy, down to +/-.01, then you will need to look into continuous monitoring instruments. These instruments are very much more expensive than the pen instruments, but the diode used is of extremely high quality and very durable. The best continuous monitoring instrument's retail cost above $400 due to the quality of the diodes. I use the Hanna BL 981411 pH Mini Controller, that uses cabled flow-thru electrodes, enclosed in a NEMA weatherproof enclosure. If you can find these devices already sold in a bundle, then this would be the cheaper route. Individually buying the pieces is more expensive due to tax and shipping costs.


If your situation is unique or you want to talk options, then give Hanna Instruments a call. They were very help to me, but do not get discouraged if someone is not available so leave a voicemail and they will return your phone call.


Good luck to ya. I hope this was of any help to ya!! :cheerful: :claphands:
 
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Thank you. I am using the wide range ph liquid tester. I could look for the low and high range kits to see if that works better for me. Does the Martini PH 56 have to be calibrated after each use, does it come calibrated?

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crsublette said:
Yep, they summed it up. Also, check out, Ph Fluxuation? How to control?.


If you are using the wide range pH liquid tester, then you might get a more distinguishing color if you use low range pH liquid tester or a high range pH liquid tester. I think the API master freshwater test kit has both of these liquid testers. The low range liquid pH tester only tests within a range of 5.0~7.7 pH, best I can recall off hand. The high range liquid pH tester only tests within a range of 7.7~10, best I can recall off hand. So, you might get a more precise color when using the appropriate high or low range tester. The wide range pH tester is particularly helpful when trying to figure if to use the high or low range pH tester.


A digital pen instrument, such as the Martini, will test down to a measurement accuracy of +/-.05.

The liquid pH test kits have a measurement accuracy of +/-.2, that is assuming you are good at matching colors.

Test strip pH test kits have a measurement accuracy that is anybody's best guess, but I think it might be reasonable to assume near an accuracy of +/-.2.


Do not confuse resolution accuracy with measurement accuracy.


The liquid pH test kits are fine, but, if you are not comfortable with its accuracy, then a good pH digital pen instrument will generally cost more than $50. However, even with the digitial instruments, accuracy is never an infallible variable. It ultimately depends on the application and why you need to know a higher accuracy.


For the longest time I used the Milwaukee Martini pH 56, but now I use a different device. Here is the meter and it's replaceable electrode on amazon. These need to be properly stored if you want the readings to be accurate. None of these devices are gauranteed to never fail; so, if your readings are off, then be sure to call the manufacturer and they most often will switch out the diodes for free if it is within warranty. It is the electrode and diode that is important. The problem with the cheap pH meters is that there are no replaceable diodes and so you can not garauntee the quality of the device; this is meaning, when something goes wrong, then the entire device must be tossed and purchased again. Generally, the diodes is the most expensive component in these pH meters due to they all vary in durability, quality, and accuracy of results.

The problem with finding good digital equipment is that everyone will give competing opinions!! So, do your best to sift through all of the nonesense to make a good decision. I have had good luck with the Martini pH 56, but there have been others that have not had good luck with them.


The diode is the component that is the brains of these devices. If the diode is starting too fail, then the rest of the device becomes quite irrelevant. Proper storage ensure the diodes are hydrated and keeps its accuracy.

So, properly storing the diode is quite important. Do not use distilled water. Here's a good example of the usual storage instructions: How to Store, Clean, and Recondition pH Electrodes. Every manufacturer has a special storage solution to be used with their meters. All of these solutions have some concentration of potassium chloride in them and this causes the solution to evaporate rather quick, when this happens chloride salt crystals are formed. No worries. Simply just stir the diodes in some luke warm water to dissolve and release the crystals. Be very careful to not scratch the diodes.

If you want to skip the intricate cleaning instructures, which do yield better results when compared to the manufacturer recommendation, then you can simply just use the manufacturer recommended storage solution.

On the Martini, I actually screwed off the diod, wrapped the microchip connector end in plastic, with a piece of paper towel in it, and secured it with a very tight rubberband then filled a small tupperware container, with lid, to seal it tight and stored it in my refrigerator on the very bottom shelf. Be sure it does not tip over since you do not want the microchip connector to get wet.


The Maritini device is known as a pH pen instrument. If you want even better accuracy, down to +/-.01, then you will need to look into continuous monitoring instruments. These instruments are very much more expensive than the pen instruments, but the diode used is of extremely high quality and very durable. The best continuous monitoring instrument's retail cost above $400 due to the quality of the diodes. I use the Hanna BL 981411 pH Mini Controller, that uses cabled flow-thru electrodes, enclosed in a NEMA weatherproof enclosure. If you can find these devices already sold in a bundle, then this would be the cheaper route. Individually buying the pieces is more expensive due to tax and shipping costs.


If your situation is unique or you want to talk options, then give Hanna Instruments a call. They were very help to me, but do not get discouraged if someone is not available so leave a voicemail and they will return your phone call.


Good luck to ya. I hope this was of any help to ya!! :cheerful: :claphands:
 

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LibraKoi said:
Thank you. I am using the wide range ph liquid tester. I could look for the low and high range kits to see if that works better for me. Does the Martini PH 56 have to be calibrated after each use, does it come calibrated?

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It comes with instructions describing how to properly hydrate it and calibrate it when your first receive it. After that, I only recalibrated it once a week. Be sure not to use too much pH solution, because it can be used up quite fast.
 

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