I need some help - Please

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    Koiandturtlepond0000 iJustWantANicePond:)

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    Hi Tula,
    Not really, I've raised the filter feedback tube more now though, to create a bit more splash.
    It has made quite a bit more movement in the pond.
     
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    Koiandturtlepond0000 iJustWantANicePond:)

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    So, i am going to get a pond aerator after this Bank Holiday Weekend (all shops closed), is there anything else i need to make the pond more aerated?
    Thanks
     
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    Koiandturtlepond0000 iJustWantANicePond:)

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    I will probably take a sample to my local fish store then.
    In comparison to me, you are probably an expert haha
     
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    Koiandturtlepond0000 iJustWantANicePond:)

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    I will get on and try and get the aerator and quilt batting soon. I will let you know how i get on and post pictures soon. Hopefully the new filter and pump should work well.. Been told it will probably take a month to clear apparently. I'll let you know what my water tests show me as well!
    Thanks for the help!
     
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    First of all, your pond is too small for all those koi. The "standard advice" is that a pond that contains koi should be at least 1000 gallons and that you should provide at least 300 gallons per koi. I know they are small now, but they become big very quickly. If you keep the same number of goldfish and cut down to two koi, it should be workable. This is not the cause of your green water, but it certainly helps to keep it green.

    Secondly, you are seriously underfiltered. A good rule of thumb is that the pump should claim to turn over at least 2 times the volume of the pond per hour. Your pump claims less than half that. You have a good pump for a 350 gallon pond. The filter claims to be suitable for "1000 gallon max pond size." What that means is that this filter is inadequate for any pond over 1000 gallons, even if it doesn't have a fish in it. While this is not exactly false advertising, it is certainly intended to deceive, and virtually all of us fell into that trap when we started. The company's more detailed description says the filter is suitable for ponds from 250 to 1000 gallons. The 250 gallons is for ponds with lots of fish like you have. Underfiltration contributes to green water.

    I agree with the recommendations others have made to aerate the pond, to plant some water lilies, and to filter the water through quilt batting.

    I disagree with using anything other than covering the pond when you already have a heron visiting. If it is physically possible for that bird to get the fish, it will do so despite noise, water, or other discomforts. These all might work on a bird that has never fed from your pond. I actually find the grid interesting as is, but if you paint it black, it will be quite inconspicuous.

    My additional recommendations are:

    decrease the number of koi, this can be by a few each year if you can't bear a huge rehoming;
    get another pump as large or larger than the one you have now,
    use that pump to feed a DIY barrel filter or, better, a bog filter. ​

    Our addy1 is the web guru of bog filters, and many have followed her example, so you can get plenty of help here. I have never heard of a pond with a properly-constructed bog filter that has green water. Plus, a bog filter grows big beautiful plants that are an asset to your landscape.

    Finally, a request. Please give us a location. Climate makes a big difference in how one maintains a pond.
     
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    Koiandturtlepond0000 iJustWantANicePond:)

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    Hi Shakaho,

    I appreciate the advice. It is something i may think about doing, but a fairly expensive solution after i had just bought the new pump and filter last week.
    Just a note, but i have checked and the Fish Mate Pond Pump 7000 claims 1560gph (7100LPH) which i know taking into account that is its max rate and it is still not 2 times the pond volume per hour.. But i don't believe it is too bad... Some people have told me half the pond every hour...

    I do accept that the filter is too small i think. The people in the shop suggested it for my size pond, thats why i got it.. But i think i may get another one of that size or maybe a bigger one- the 15000 maybe!

    Thanks for the advice,
    I am from the UK (*boooo*)
     
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    Alright, good luck with that! let us know how it goes.
     
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    Oops. I must have put in the wrong number when I searched for the pump. Sorry. That pump is OK.

    What people told you was at the slow turnover limit of the recommendation of a turnover every 1/2 to 2 hours. It would be suitable for a large pond. A small pond or a heavily stocked pond should be toward the opposite limit.

    The manufacturer's claim is based on the rate at which water comes out of the pump with nothing attached to it -- no hose or filter to provide friction. Under real pond conditions, the turnover is usually about half of the claim, at least on the ones I have measured.

    You can split the flow from that pump into two filters. You really should look into building a filter. It sounds scary, but it isn't hard and is very inexpensive. Take a look at the DIY forum.
     
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    Koiandturtlepond0000 iJustWantANicePond:)

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    Would that work, would it not decrease the flow for each filter then? If so, it would probably be better getting a new pump as well wouldn't it?

    The thing is about building my own filter is that it just wouldn't really fit in from the ones i have seen people build themselves on here.. There is no way i could get a waterfall to feed into the pond.. Thats why the pond mate filters are great, i can dig it into the small rose bed (just) next to the pond! You can see it in the top right of the picture - quite inconspicuous behind some roses..
    I will have a look for some more ideas of how i could fit one in..
    Thanks
    overall pond pump.jpg
     
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    Is it possible something could be done with the statue / fountain, on top of your grating? Perhaps it would splash some water down, looking very nice and creating water movement and aeration ?

    I too, use a commercial type filter, as I hide it behind a hydrangea bush:)
     
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    Koiandturtlepond0000 iJustWantANicePond:)

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    Unfortunately the fountain has it's own separate pump and recirculated water supply, it has a nice trickle down effect between its 2 layers but not into the pond unfortunately - yes I think it is the easy option.. Haha :)
     
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    Send a line from your pump, small line to the fountain, get rid of the fountain pump. That way the water would go up into the fountain and back down to the pond, would look neat!
     
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    Koiandturtlepond0000 iJustWantANicePond:)

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    When the water is cleaner maybe, the fountain has very small pipes which are prone to blocking up now and then.. Would be a bit fiddly as well, as the fountain is designed to have its own filter and reservoir recirculating water..
     
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    This was my idea as well, it would definitely look cool and help some with aeration.
     
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    some filter idea, dont have to find space out side the pond, put them in the pond, see the last 2 pictures in my showcase https://www.gardenpondforum.com/showcase/anyas-pond.12/. that's similar to what pther people imagine for your fountain to be, but mine the water just filter through all the gravel and back to the pond, and it's a mini bog.

    With the pump, you can use your old pump (if it's not dead yet) as a second pump. Second pump is good as a back up pump.
     
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    The only issue I have with in pond filtration is that nitrates tend to build up quick because the filth is still in the water source.....I suppose that if its cleaned often enough it won't be a problem?
     
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    Talal, I think the only way to reduce Nitrate is to do a water change but then again if your water source has Nitrate it might not help as much. Can you get the water from different source? Have rain barrels? I think the other way is to have lots of plants so they use the nitrate. and I mean lots and lots of plants.
     
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    Koiandturtlepond0000 iJustWantANicePond:)

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    Hi,

    Right, i have just checked the water coming out of the filter and its basically just the same as the pond water i think. There does not seem to be any clear difference, so in other words I am not sure the filter is the problem.

    THIS MAY BE A STUPID QUESTION, showing me up for my lack of pond knowledge, but is the water coming out of the pump/filter system supposed to be crystal clear?

    Or does it clean in small bits at a time?

    Thanks! Just about to go and get an aerator for the pond talal101 and sissy
     
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    Koiandturtlepond0000 iJustWantANicePond:)

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    Also, i have put some of this GREEN AWAY product into the pond to try and help clump the algae together.. Thats right?
     
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    Green away is just going to make dead algae that will still need to be filtered out. I seriously would start filtering the water manually with cotton batting. Find some way (even if it has to be a temporary line from the filer to the pond) to run the pond water through a small basket or something that can hold the cotton fill batting in place while the hose from the filter runs the pond water through it. I know it sounds crazy but it works VERY well! In 24 hours you will see a dramatic difference and in just days you'll see the bottom :)
    After the pond is clear, use the fountain to put batting in, less likely to be seen, to keep the pond clear of single cell algae. Unfortunately because your pond is in the sun most the day, this will be a never ending battle. The good thing is, Batting is a very cheap, and I have even been known to buy stuffed animals at the thrift store and use the stuffing out if these, that way I can just throw away what gets nasty and its even cheaper :)
    Lillies and floating plants will help shade a bit but the fish like to eat them so there is that problem lol

    oh and welcome! :)
     
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