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Hi Guys,

It's been a while since i posted, but now the winter is here i've been rethinking a few things.

At the moment i have a homemade vortex filter with brushes that then splits the water 50/50 into a bog garden, and a second barrel biofilter. This works ok, but it still allows fine sediment through, and i'm finding that the bog garden is starting to get clogged up, plus cleaning the brushes in the vortex filter is *a pain*.

So i'm looking for a better solution.

On youtube i found this video explaining a gravel filter....

This seems like an excellent solution. I won't have to modify my setup that much, and this looks like it'll trap even find sediment.

What i'm not sure about though, is how the different layers are seperated from each other? How do you stop the finer layers from moving downlwards with time?

Anyone got any experience with this?

cheers,

Andy.
 

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do you ever worry about those tanks freezing up and cracking and draining the pond and killing the pump .That would be the first question I would ask .In warm temps that may work but how about cold temps .I know my first tote I did for a filter split and then after that i learned to double up the totes and put a liner around my filter so if anything happens the water runs back into the pond .Both of my filters are done the same way .My neighbor had a drum and deer actually knocked it over .Lucky her pump had a low water switch
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Hi Sissy,

We get quite hard winters here, so there is a risk of this, but the barrels are under cover, so protected from overnight frosts.

As soon as the temp drops below 0C though i drain the barrels and clean everything, and then activate it in spring. Some people also put empty plastic bottles in the barrels, so that the expanding ice crushes the bottle and not the barrel. My pond has also got a low water switch though, just in case something goes wrong.

Hopefully this gravel filter will cut down on the cleaning though... i'm just unsure about how the different layers are seperated....

cheers,

Andy
 

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I added a sand & gravel filter last summer to my Showa pond
The rocks are spread in layers large , big , med , pea , then chicken grit
Once the rocks are put in the drum they stay in place

Freezing is no more of a risk than any other filter , as long as I keep it running
 
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Hi Dr Case,

ok, good to know. thanks. I just need to find the right kind of rocks then. :)

cheers,

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Andy,

I have been refining my pond filter system for quite some time and I have a few ideas to share with you on this subject.

Using a gravel or sand filter like the one you pulled up in the video works quite well. However, there is a drawback to it that I don't like personally. I see it through my eyes as being higher maintenance than what I have devised so far. The layers of gravel and sand and what-not are excellent filtration media when found in nature on a LARGE scale and I really mean on a HUGE scale like a naturally occuring aquifer which may be acres or hundreds or thousands of acres in size. The water which percolates up and down and through such media will eventually come out clean and pure and pristine. The mechanical filtering of this media works very well, and there are bacteria and minerals which naturally perform chemical and bilogical filtration here. The drawback that I see with this gravel filter system on a small pond scale is that it requires you to frequently purge the system by backflushing it. That may be acceptable to many pond owners, but I believe that there is a much better way. More effective, more efficient and more maintenance friendly as well as much simpler to construct.

I obtained the original notion of this from Paul Van Der Werf who is the host of Earthangroup from Australia and New Zealand. Their site is dedicated to hydroponic gardening and using fish to supply the nutrients to plants, so they are raising both fish and vegetables for food and each of them are providing something, some benefit, to the other.

One of the filters he described in a You Tube video was of what he referred to as a "radial flow" filter for separating solids from the fish pond water. Reviewing the design which he presented, I disagree with the "radial flow" terminology. It is more akin to "axial flow" in the method that it actually does its job of separating solids, but the water does eventually flow radially out through the filter chamber in the end.

I am going to describe in words for you how I percieve a really nice "axial flow - solids separating filter" will operate and how I have engineered the one I am going to use for my pond.

First of all, I designed mine around a gravity flow concept using a bottom drain from the pond, so the filter vessel has to be elevated lower than the pond's bottom. However, you could use a pump if you wish, but I think that gravity flow would allow the solids to remain in tact and be separated out better in the filter if they are not pureed by the impeller of a pump. Use your own desire on this notion as I still believe that even pump fed water will be cleared of fines and filtered out with this design.

So let us begin with a pond which is maybe up to 3,000 gallons with a bottom drain. If you have many fish in this pond, you are going to have a large amount of biological load. Fish poop, uneaten food, leaves from plants and trees or just dust in the pond from the nearby farm or a gravel road or just whatever is in the air, correct?

Why use gravel or sand or filter brushes or some purchased filter media to trap this gunk and have to clean it so frequently when you could use water, gravity and fluid dynamics to trap it all for you? Then just simply open a drain valve and purge it all out into your garden so much more easily.

Going back to the "radial flow" filter or what I desire to refer to as an "axial flow solids separator", here is how it would operate:

Water enters in from the pond through one or maybe two 2 - 3 inch PVC pipes from the lower section of a HDPE barrel, with about 120 gallon capacity. The two incoming pipes then "Tee" in the center of the barrel and the water flows upward through a single PVC pipe. Near the top of the tank, it is dispersed out of a section of the pipe with many holes drilled into it. The water has to make a right angle turn here and now it is inside of another, larger pipe, say a 6" or 8" PVC tube which forces the water to turn downwards and flow to the bottom of the tank where it will lose kinetic energy and drop sediments.

Now the water has to rise back up somehow so that we can tap it off and send it to a more refined mechanical filter unit and a bilogical conversion stage. Therefore, we drop in another HDPE barrel inside the larger 120 gallon main barrel and this smaller barrel will be around the smaller 8 inch PVC pipe. The bottom of this barrel is cut out so that the 8" PVC pipe can drop down through the bottom of it and extend to the lower area of the larger barrel. We will drill many small holes in the bottom of this smaller, center barrel for the water to percolate up through it, between it and the 8 inch PVC pipe.

However, from the outside of the largest, external barrel towards the inside to this smaller barrel, we will install a solid HDPE plastic disc or plate with a rubber gasket attached to the plate so that it seals the space between the outer perimeter of the smaller barrel and the inner wall of the main, large barrel. This is so the water cannot go upwards around the outside of the inner barrel. We want the water to flow upwards between the 8 inch PVC pipe and the inside of the smaller barrel.

Within several inches of the top of the smaller, center barrel, we drill many small holes at the same height around and through the outer perimeter of the smaller barrel for the water to escape into the larger barrel. The water can flow out into the next chamber and eventually out of the larger HDPE barrel through a perforated 2 - 3 inch PVC pipe or some coarse filter tube and into the next filter vessel down the line.

The overall concept is that the dirty pond water has to rise up into the barrel, fall down to the bottom, rise up again, and then evacuate out radially. Each stage of this water changing its direction causes it to lose it's kinetic energy and drop its sediment load which falls out in the lower areas of the tank.

The sediment collected here is then easily expelled by opening the drain valve at the very bottom of the large, outer tank. The flow of the water out through the drain will drag all the gunk with it as it evacuates from every portion of the tank here as it is one assembly.

Because of the "multi-chamber" design of this first vessel, the next vessel won't have to deal with so much fines and crud and the pond owner won't have to spend so much time or labor cleaning the thing.

Atop the next stage, I am going to place a short HDPE barrel (about 12" tall) with A 6" roll of Matala Grey media sitting on top of a 300 micron mesh SS filter screen. If any fines make it into this short barrel and start clogging it up, I will simply disconnect a universal PVC coupling which connects the water feed line from the previous barrel, then lift this short barrel off the next stage and turn it upside down in the yard or driveway and spray it out with a pressure washer.

The drum below this one will contain Kaldness K3 media and an aerator to stir it around and then the water will be pumped back to the pond.

I am close to being able to present an actual scaled diagram of this system, so If you don't get all the concepts from my words, I will try to get these diagrams posted up here.

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@catfishnut

Thanks for the detailed description.... if i've understood it correctly it's basically an onion that uses different sized pipes to alter the flow rates and cause solids to drop out?

I've not seen an example of one of these yet... i'll be interested to see your drawings.

I'm using a vortex filter as the first stage at the moment, and then brushes, and the crap that builds up in that is amazing. You mentioned that to drain your design you'd "The flow of the water out through the drain will drag all the gunk with it" but in my experience this stuff sticks to everything, and simply opening a valve won't shift all of it. Maybe the addition of a small air feed, just to agitate the water and stir the muck up, would improve things?

I've also been wondering, what do people do with the dirty water? I'm using it to feed my plants at the moment, and they seem to be doing really well of it.

cheers,

Andy.
 

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Andy, I'm no expert, but I like the idea. I'm always wishing I had better mechanical filtration [no bottom drain, though]. I currently have a SKIPPY filter, 100 gal Rubbermaid stock tank [that is soon to be replaced by a bog!], and I periodically drain off the gunk that collects at the bottom -- yucky stuff, too! So I don't see where maintaining your example would be any more trouble than doing what I'm doing now. In addition to the backflush and up-flow to clean the gravel, could you also have a drain at the bottom to get rid of the heaviest accumulated stuff before you did the backflush?

Gordy, can you please post a simple diagram of your idea -- I am totally a visual learner, and you lost me somewhere around the "right angle turn" and the 6"-8" PVC pipe......
 
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Andy,

You are correct regarding the "layers of an onion" which are the different sized pipes which force the debris to settle out. It operates well due to fluid dynamics, something that I see in nature on the river. When the water is forced to "slow down" or change directions, it has to lose kinetic energy. When the water loses this energy, it cannot hold the sediments in suspension, so they must drop out and precipitate to the bottom.

It is akin to the principles of the operation of a sanitary septic tank, but here we are applying it in a much smaller space.

Baffles (the varying sizes of pipes) and the changing direction of water flow - i.e. up then down, up and then back down again, etc. is what makes the system work in a more confined space. We desire to conserve space because no one wants a 10,000 gallon septic tank sitting in their yard to maintain their pond. Here we can utilize a 120 gallon vessel with smaller vessels and pipes inside.

It does not matter if some of the "gunk" is left behind in this tank after draining it to clean. The majority of it will slurry out when the drain is opened. What is left behind will not be much and should not impact the overall water quality if cleaning is performed routinely. If one were to find a cone-bottomed tank, then the cleaning cycle would be even more effective. However, I don't think that it is going to be an extremely important modification as the next stage downstream will take care of the rest of the sediments.

The next stage or second filter tank in the line up will be a simple mechanical filter. Just a roll of high density (grey) Matala media set atop a 300 micron SS mesh screen which can be easily cleaned as required. This small tank will be short - just 12 inches tall - and easily removed, dumped over in the yard and sprayed out with a garden hose or a pressure washer and then reinstalled. The bottom of this tank is cut out and replaced with the SS mesh. The water passing through the mesh drops into the biological converter tank set below it. The biological converter tank will be supplied with sediment-free water from the mechanical filtering tank above it.

The biological conversion tank will be filled with Kaldness K3 media.

A 9" Matala aerator diffuser disc will supply oxygen for the nitrifying bacteria and provide the mechanical stirring of the Kaldness media.

The outlet of the bio tank will feed directly to the pump(s) to carry the water back to the pond or you can pump the water out of the pond and then let it gravity flow through this entire filter system and fall back into the pond. It just depends on each individual's space considerations. It will be best to design it to gravity flow into this filter system and then pump out back to the pond, but it will work with either scenario.

When I have refined the mechanical drawings to my liking, I will have them scanned and converted to a digital image to share here. I am continually adding and modifying this design to make the entire system less complex so that anyone may construct it without access to any special tooling or supplies. I want the design to be "hardware store" friendly so that anyone may go out and purchase the items easily. A few specialty items designed for ponds will obviously require some on-line ordering, but that cannot be avoided.

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Here is my total filter design that I described.... Firsk image is the sediment tank (axial flow solids separator), second image is a mechanical filter set atop a moving bed bio-converter using Kaldness K3 media.
 

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Here is the "parts list" for the major items in both assemblies:

A] Aerator: Matala MDB11

B] Bracket: Corner Gusset, mfg 80/20 # 4136 (use 4 to 6)

C1] Cover: For Tank T1, part of Snyder Industries # 5700000N—L

C3] Cover: For Tank T3, TAMCO # 3023

D] Drain, Shower, 2” PVC, 2 piece with strainer

F] Fitting, 2” PVC universal coupling

G] Gasket: Rubber, 1/8” thick, cut to fit circular area around tank.

K] Kaldness K3 biological filter media

L] Filter, Lakescreen, Decko model # 91601

M4] MATALA roll media, super high density grey, 22” x 6” Matala # RM22GY

P1] Pipe, 8” PVC

PE] Polyethylene, ½” thick, cut in disc (donut) shape to attach to tank T3 and sandwich SS
PE] Polyethylene, ½” thick, cut in disc (donut) shape for gasket G to attach to
PE] Polyethylene, ½” thick, cut in disc shape to support aerator A

SS] Stainless Steel mesh, 300 micron

T1] Tank, 120 gallons, Snyder Industries # 5700000N—L

T2] Tank, 15 gallons, TAMCO # 3002

T3] Tank, 17 gallons, TAMCO # 6141

T4] Tank, 55 gallons, Snyder Industries 5680000N—L

V] Valve, Ball, 2” PVC

U] Uniseal, 2” Uniseal # U200

X] Support, aluminum tubing, square, cut to fit across tank lip to hold inner tank.
 
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Looking at the birdman filter, the comment was made that if the flow rate is too high then the finer medium at the top will just float away.

Thinking about this, it seems that the size of the barrel will affect the flow rate, i.e. the more surface area the barrel has, the lower the flow rate per sq cm will be.....

Has anyone come across any calculations relating to this? My Google Fu has let me down.

cheers,

Andy.
 

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