Help Me -- writing a guide for newbies


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Hi guys -- I am writing a guide for newbies who are building koi ponds and just getting started.

What is/was your biggest question(s) that you had when you were getting going?

I want to write this with lots of meat, and once I have it done - I will send everyone who helps me out a free copy (either PM me or email me at jason at poolspondsandpumps dot com)

THANK YOU -- I am excited to get this project off the ground and hope you all will help me out.
Jason
 
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well don't have a koi pond, just will be goldies and plants.
 

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Sorry -- I should have been clearer - What do you guys have for questions regarding starting/building ponds.. not just koi -- any kind in particular. Just let me know what kind you have/will have -- and what your biggest questions/issues are.
Thanks again,
Jason
 

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Well -- I hopefully have the answers -- the others I will get. This is kind of a labor of love -- I had a bunch of questions when I started.. and figured most feel the same way.

SO.. looking for questions from the group.. preferably.. ideas are good too.. :)
 

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Search the construction area, the newbie area, everybody has posed a lot of questions.

You will get a wide range of issues
 
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Big question I had - pumps. External, submersible, gph, and amp draw. Think I've made a good choice with my external Artesian, it has done very well. Questions about this issue, feel free to ask.

Had a lot of other questions too.
 
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I would ask all the questions here and look at the answers.
I've seen answers to questions here that are not true.
Some answers are just opinions.
 

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I agree with DODAD, many answers are a matter of opinion. some answers are neither right or wrong just a matter of opinion or preferrence. every pond is different for many reasons...size, depth, fish load,location, sun exposure,finances( my biggest obstacle), the list goes on. there are some general guide lines, but those can be open to variations. but the biggest difference is ...is it a "garden pond with fish" or a dedicated "koi pond". most folks here have garden ponds with fish, DODAD and a few others have dedicated koi ponds.
 
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Beyond the basics of constructing that first pond, I think the biggest paranoia I had was what to do or expect to happen...

- Biological filters: Do's and don'ts. Seeding the filter with the right bacteria is good, but then don't go ruining your cultures by flushing the filter with tapwater.
- Cloudy water: It's going to be cloudy for the first several weeks. A pond has to cycle, just like a fish tank. Don't lengthen the period or ruin your pristine waterby dumping in a ton of chemicals to clear the water.
- The first algae-bloom: Oh god what is all this green stuff in my water! Suggest natural ways of controlling algae such as hyacinths/water lettuce or UV filters.
- Water changes? I'd never heard of this until coming to this site. How often and how much?
- Protecting from predators: Cats, raccoons, large birds - these can all be a danger to your fish. Providing lots of floating plants and hiding places will help them live longer.
- Preparing for Winter: Protecting the pond from falling leaves, reducing fish feedings, when to stop feeding the fish, preparing various types of heaters, keeping the pumps running despite water freeze.
- Spring cleanup: vacuuming the bottom, cleaning filters, when to start feeding the fish, kick-starting bio-filter bacteria.

Another topic which I haven't found as many answers to is what more can you do to establish a more natural balance to your pond?
- Types of fish: Sure everyone does comets and koi, but I've been finding info on bottom-feeders such as weather loaches to help with the cleaning. And of course such goodies as mosquito-fish for pest control. What else would survive the near-freezing temperatures of most ponds, and would be useful towards reducing the required maintenance of the pond?
- Frogs: It took four years, but my first frog finally appeared this year and has made his new home. I think any type of frog is beneficial towards reducing the unwanted insect population around a pond. Any other benefits from them?
- Dragonflies: By planting tall vertical grasses around a pond, you can attract dragonflies which are not only fun to see, but have voracious appetites for mosquitoes, and their larvae will also take care of newly-hatched mosquitoes in the water.
- What else is beneficial to have in or around the pond?

Hope that gives you some ideas to work with. Can't wait to see the results!
 
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Wow - This is great. I agree with the comment about opinions vs fact. Many things are not set in stone... I will keep that in mind. Let keep it going!! I am going to have lots of work to do :).. Thanks, Jason
 

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I'd talk about doing a fishless cycle, with plain household ammonia. You can safely dose a lot higher than fish could stand, and get your bacteria started much more rapidly than with fish. A corollary benefit is that no fish would have to chance death or suffer unnecessarily in an immature pond. Meta search to find fishless cycle ammonia application rates, and while the pond is without fish, baking soda can rapidly raise pH to more acceptable levels than are sometimes in the tap, with the benefit of raising kH as well.
 

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How deep should I make it?
when buying rubber how thick and how much extra do I allow for the top edge?
bottom drain?
building marerials-- foam, mortar,stone underfabric, etc.,etc.
bog areas? why? what plants?
filtration?
pumps?
lighting?
use of chemicals?
U.V or not?
fish cover -- koi castle, etc
winter close up for areas affected. What products do I need?

I could probably think of more stuff. These and what others have shared will get you started.
 
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I've been reading this site for a few months now, and I'm still frequently baffled when posters talk about pumps, filters, and plumbing. Newbies need a lot of terms defined. Illustrations of systems, starting with very simple ones for little ponds, would help a lot.
 

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Keep it simple and you can always add stuff later if you really feel you need it.
EPDM liner, 45 - 55 mil
Submersible pump
Bio filter
Floating plants for shade and to assist in bio filtration.
No chemicals ever except dechlor and meds if necessary.
Framed nets to protect from predators when you cannot be there.
No rocks in the bottom, line the dege with roks and plants to make it look natural.
This has worked for me for over 40 years.
No, I didn't leave anything out...
 
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Questions are easy.

- How does a person decide how big & deep they should go? (Big across is one thing - that will probably be somewhat self-explanatory, but depth is another issue entirely. I'm guessing that many folks stop at a foot or two when 3 + woulda been much better)
- What are the best ways to build the sides, and why? Any tricks to know about? (We had a couple of spots where the hole was wider than we wanted to go. We framed a new wall using big wood stakes and flexible door skin plywood, then back-filled and poured a 3" deep concrete shelf. The shelf was not level. It tapered back a bit toward the outer wall)
- How deep/wide should shelves be? (Went about 16" deep with ours. I wish I'd gone a little deeper or made two shelves because you can see the liner)
- EPDM is heavy - have they thought about how to handle it? (Our 1000' sq. ft. sheet was 300 # and we were scratching our heads about how to move it around)
- Is old carpet a good substitute for the commercial underlayment? Where to get carpet? (We hit up a local flooring shop. They let me rummage in their dumpster. I came home with brand new carpet, not nasty old stuff.)
- How to maintain level while building/digging? Especially if you don't have a laser level. We borrowed a LL from work the last few months. Wow, what an improvement over long 2X4's and bubble levels.
- Build an overflow or just let it run out onto yard when it's raining?
- How to build so that raccoons/cats/ etc. are discouraged from entry.
- How to protect from herons/kingfishers.
- Some pump guidelines. (Our pumping power is way below the usual 'pond changeover every two hours' and we're doing fine)
- You could write a whole book on bio-filters :regular_waving_emot I'd be happy to send some pics of our 300 gal. tote filter.
- One thing that continues to elude me is how to build waterfalls that 1. Work 2. Don't look contrived 3. Don't leak
- Speaking of leaking, I'm experimenting with bentonite clay for one small cement vessel that has some pinhole leaks to the outside. I could see where the water was coming out but that's like a leak in a roof - not necessarily where the leak is starting. The clay seems to be working. I made a thick mud out of the clay with a 5 gallon bucket and a drill motor with stir attachment, then poured the mud into the vessel. If you just toss the clay in pond it sits there and turns into a gooey gelatinous heap.
- A chapter on sealing ideas (Dry-lok, Thoroseal, polyurethane, fish-safe etc.)
- Maybe talk about stonework a little bit. Our extreme pond makeover this summer has introduced me to mortaring, some basic cement work (forms, rebar, drilling holes for rebar, finding rocks that you can mortar to vertical surfaces, flagstone, etc.)
- Some ideas for transitioning from pond to foot traffic. From looking at pics posted here and other places, I feel that this is an area that people neglect (or can't visualize) during construction, and just sort of end up with whatever. We mortared some big flattish round rocks on top of the round rocks coming out of the pond, then dry-laid Cabinet Gorge flagstone up to the big round rocks. Got a half-ton of 3/8 - 0 crushed rock at a local gravel yard and swept it into the cracks between the flagstone and between the flagstone/round rock. Looks pretty snazzy.
- Is a bigger pond (1000 gal +) easier to maintain that a small one?
- How many fish?
- Snails too, or just fish?
- Plants and what's appropriate for your area. We were tricked by the pretty pictures of water lilies. Turns out they barely bloom in Western Washington, the little aphids climb all over the leaves, then they die.
- Some basic physics and gravity stuff. Like how a biofilter will syphon back to the pond unless you create an air break. Like how heavy water gets when you've already put a couple inches of it in the bottom of your new pond and you didn't pull the bigger folds out of the liner quickly enuf.

I ran across a lot more questions than these. If/when I think of them I'll be back.
 
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