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So I have been thinking about my pump and filter a lot the last few weeks... Last year I bought an aquadyne pressurized bead filter that was supposed to be good for 4000 gallons of water. I’m guessing I have around 3000 gallons of water. I had read that you should buy a filter that is rated for about double your pond size. At the time I thought I was going to put the equipment outside and didn’t want it too unsightly so I went with the smaller filter which was rated for 4000 gallons instead of 8000 gallons. Instead I was able to hide it all in my garage which is about 3 ft from the pond. So my issue is I need to clean the filter quite often. I wish I would have bought the larger system. . I guess I could go buy a larger filter and pump but then I feel I wasted all the money I spent last year plus the time and trouble to get it installed. I have thought about adding other items like a bottom drain, skimmer, or UV light but I’m not sure how much of an impact they will have. I also had a prefilter attached to my pump for a while but it was getting clogged a lot so I took it off. I know there are a lot of other types of filters like trickle down, bog, diy skippy etc. but don’t have a lot of room in my garage and my wife wants me to hide everything so I can’t put more filters outside. Any suggestions?..and Addy please don’t tell me I should have stuck to goldfish! You can see the garage behind it with the black pipes on the right hand side carrying water to the pump and back from the filter.
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Keith, have you thought about a sieve ? It would provide more mechanical filtration, removing solids. I think it could be added before your bead filter.
 
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A bottom drain just means more filtration, so I don't think that would solve the problem. A skimmer would help with capturing debris before it sinks, but a skimmer basket has to be cleaned too, so that won't be any less work for you. In fact, a skimmer could become a daily chore, depending on how much falls into the pond. A UV only kills suspended algae, which I don't think you have a problem with, right? And when you're running a UV filter you are creating more debris that has to be filtered, not less, if you do have suspended algae, which means more filter cleaning until it clears. If that made sense... haha.

I think the best long term fix-it-the-best-way solution is the bigger filter. I know that means eating the cost you've already incurred, but all of the things you mentioned mean more money outlay, too. So why not just bite the bullet and "right the wrong". I bet you could sell he smaller filter and recoup some of your investment. You have the space for the bigger filter - I say go for it.
 
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ME? Critique you? NEVER!............................But I NEVER need to clean my filter!
Addy that’s a great suggestion... Think bog right? Part of the planted area of my pond is almost like a bog when I start adding floaters... and I have these two big sedges already soaking up excess nutrients. What about putting a y valve on the flow away from the filter and channel half of of the water into a real bog that I build in the heavily planted area? Cost wise it would be great. How large would I need to make it?

Keith, have you thought about a sieve ? It would provide more mechanical filtration, removing solids. I think it could be added before your bead filter.
Thanks Tula. I have seen some sieves on the pond tour and I think they are both pretty expensive especially with the stainless steel drum and also pretty labor intensive because you need to keep your eye on them. Also I don’t think I have the space. I think they are cool though especially with a small micron stainless steel screen so thank you for the suggestion.

A bottom drain just means more filtration, so I don't think that would solve the problem. A skimmer would help with capturing debris before it sinks, but a skimmer basket has to be cleaned too, so that won't be any less work for you. In fact, a skimmer could become a daily chore, depending on how much falls into the pond. A UV only kills suspended algae, which I don't think you have a problem with, right? And when you're running a UV filter you are creating more debris that has to be filtered, not less, if you do have suspended algae, which means more filter cleaning until it clears. If that made sense... haha.

I think the best long term fix-it-the-best-way solution is the bigger filter. I know that means eating the cost you've already incurred, but all of the things you mentioned mean more money outlay, too. So why not just bite the bullet and "right the wrong". I bet you could sell he smaller filter and recoup some of your investment. You have the space for the bigger filter - I say go for it.
Thanks Lisa.i have thought about selling my existing and doing what you suggested as there is plenty of space to put a larger filter in that spot bit then would have to start answering my wife’s questions about costs again. already we had another conversation tonight about my fish! She wanted to know exactly how many Koi I had and if they all cost $200 like the last one... One of my daughters informed her incorrectly the other day when they were discussing the pond on FaceTime that I probably have very expensive Koi which most likely cost in the thousands of dollars for each fish... I had to explain today that all except one were bought for under $100 because I got them when they were very small. This is actually true except for one more fish I recently got. I’m not a very good liar so it would be tough to explain I needed to spend another $3000 on filtration to replace the stuff I just bought last year! So let’s say I actually did get another filter and pump would a system for 8000 gallons be enough or go larger than that?
Thanks all for you input and advice! My pump and filter are now running for a few days with a strong output of water after having had to backwash the filter 2 other times already. Maybe I’m just too impatient for the filter to do it’s job? I think I remember last year a similar situation that I needed to clean the filter a bunch of times in the beginning of the year to get everything on the right footing. Also I know it’s way too early and too cold for biological filtration to start up. Does anyone use the boost products for bacteria they recommend for the spring? I know they are pretty popular. The only chemical I ever add is declor.
 
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Hi Tula. Do you think I should try to put the bog in my existing pond? I'm not sure how that would work. Maybe put a preform on the planted side of the pond? It would take away from the water volume if I do that. I don't think it would be in the cards for me to expand the pond in anyway right now... Also I'm thinking how I could protect some floating plants (net?) because they always help with filtration. Last year they didn't do much because the fish were always nibbling on their roots. Anyway my water flow coming out of my filter is greatly improved after backwashing it several times. Maybe I was just impatient. It's been 5 days and it is still has a good flow and the pond water is getting more clear. I can actually see the bottom now.
 
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Tula how big is your small bog?
Just asked hubby. It's hard to describe as it's kind of free form. Hubby says maybe 30- 35 SQ feet surface area......about 10 feet long and width ranges from 2- 4 feet....maybe a tad bigger. Our gravel is 12 inches deep.
 
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Keith, I refer to my bog as a "baby bog ".....you could have a " bump out " bog down by your sedges :)
Thank you for the suggestion. It would have to be in the pond as my wife wants to maintain the area around it for plantings. Today I added some dirt on one side to prep it for what we will be planting there. I did add some ground cover between the flagstone and put some inpatients between some rocks in the water. The sedges are set on shelves so that works out pretty well. I had just put a Lilly in the area between the two sedges but I could move it pretty easily. It is in a basket that is strapped to the top of a plastic milk crate. The area between the two sedges is about 40 inches deep on average. The only thing I can think of would be to set a preform on some sort of base to raise it up. Does that make any sense? Hmmm.... I wish you could buy a pre-made bog with all the tubing already done. I don’t mind trying to build one but this way I know it would work perfectly from the beginning!
 
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I wish you could buy a pre-made bog with all the tubing already done.
Sounds like a great business idea for someone! Although pre-packaging a bog might be tough as every pond is so different.

Thinking outside the box... or, well the pond I guess... how would your wife feel about adding a bog to the area around the pond if she saw how they really are just another place to grow pretty things?
 
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We used this site for information when building our bog. Not sure how deep your pond is by the sedges, but the portion of this article on "partition bogs" may be of interest.

@Lisak1 , you make a good point and depending on what Mrs. CK wants, might just work :)

Another idea is to just create more shelf space ( using milk crates - or another member made selves from PVC ) and rest more potted plants within the pond.
 
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Thanks Tula. I actually read a very long article she wrote last night. She is an excellent source of information but of course our very own Addy is the best! She mentioned her bog was in her pond and it worked out nicely. I’m thinking of making mine in the pond also but my biggest issue is it probably wouldn’t be large enough. I’ll need to measure but I’m guessing 3x4 may fit in the area I have in mind which will probably be only 10% of the surface area. I’ll need to look for something in plastic that would support the bog. I want it not to be solid so small fish can swim through it. I took this picture tonight. I planted some ground cover and impatients yesterday. We might have a landscaper look at our yard to make suggestions. We need to finish the right side of the pond. My wife wants to do the same thing as the back but I would like something different.. maybe a climbing hydrengea and some other things. Also we are thinking of getting a tree for the grassy area left of the pond. At one time I wanted to build a waterfall but that idea got shot down!
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We used this site for information when building our bog. Not sure how deep your pond is by the sedges, but the portion of this article on "partition bogs" may be of interest.

@Lisak1 , you make a good point and depending on what Mrs. CK wants, might just work :)

Another idea is to just create more shelf space ( using milk crates - or another member made selves from PVC ) and rest more potted plants within the pond.
Hmm.. just found “Easy Pro” Res-cubes on line. They are basically fancy milk crates but are built specifically for ponds and for high weight loads like rocks in waterfalls. They come in different sizes and you can also stack them to go higher. This would be perfect to set my bog on. Now I just need to find a 12 inch high container!
 
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Happy wife, happy life! Well same with happy hubby.............. Your pond does look great and very nicely groomed............not like mine lol.

I am so non fussy about the "look" good thing ow our our yard would drive me crazy. What grows gets to grow except darn poison ivy, the tons of vines that can take over. Those I fight aggressively. My hands control what I can do now. They hate pulling weeds, the grab and pull kills them.

Sure hope you can figure out a way to add a bog I think it would really help your pond. The partition bog works I had one at one time years ago in AZ a small pond.

I was lucky to be able to build ours as big as I did. It did take some dirt berm wall building due to our sloping yard. It sure works just love the thing. We do have quite a bit more land than you do Keith!
 

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I don't now much about filters but found that the more air and circulation i added to my pond the less problems I had with water quality .I have 1 pump that I put pvc on besides going to the filter and the pvc pipe sits on the bottom and has holes drilled in it .I keeps junk off the bottom of the pond and aerates the water .
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I don't now much about filters but found that the more air and circulation i added to my pond the less problems I had with water quality .I have 1 pump that I put pvc on besides going to the filter and the pvc pipe sits on the bottom and has holes drilled in it .I keeps junk off the bottom of the pond and aerates the water .View attachment 128783View attachment 128784
Good idea @sissy to put a pipe with a hole in it to keep debris off the bottom of the pond. I use a long handled pool net on occasion, but wonder how I'll continue to do that once I hang the new net?
 
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It has several holes in it and you have to decide on size of holes to still allow water to go to your filter .I aloowed enough water for filter ,spitter and the under water set up I just used clamps on the sump pump hose that goes over the thin wall pvc .1 sump pump hose goes to the the pump and other goes to the filter and then I used a screw in pvc pipe for a small hose that goes to the spitter
 

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