Water Quality Concerns

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    Meyer Jordan Tadpole

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    Sorry for all of the questions. Just trying to get a complete picture of your pond's current biochemical status.
    What are you using for testing?
     
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    What I meant to ask is do you have them on the bottom or up near the surface .Pond air systems do not work well in water over 2 feet deep and even then they are iffy
     
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    MoonShadows The Jam Man

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    @Meyer Jordan Absolutely no problem with the questions. I respect and welcome your opinion/feedback as someone who has forgotten more about ponds then I'll ever know!

    My test kits are API Pond Master Test Kit and API GH and KH Test Kit...all purchased within the past 5 months.
     
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    MoonShadows The Jam Man

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    They are 30" deep. I never heard of placing them above 2' deep. I would think...especially from everything I have read here on this forum...that you want them at the bottom...not only to aerate, but to help "turn over" the water. Your post is the first time I have ever heard they don't work well in water over 2'.

    I would like to hear other opinions about this...if anyone has one.
     
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    Are we talking about air stones? Mine are at 3 feet deep and work fine. I've never heard that either.
     
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    MoonShadows The Jam Man

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    Yes, air stones...Aquascape Pond Air 2 system.

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    Meyer Jordan Tadpole

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    Pond aerators are available that will work at depths of 20 feet.

    Would you terribly mind retesting the water. Not that I don't trust your first results, but I want to see if this is a relatively dynamic or static condition.
     
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    MoonShadows The Jam Man

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    Not at all. Been up since 3am and getting tired. I will retest tomorrow morning and post my results. Be on the look out! And, thanks for taking a concern!
     
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    DutchMuch Lord Of The Aquascapes!

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    This is the answer to the question.... But ill wait until your next test results :p
    They use aerators sometimes in aquascapes that have a depth more than 4ft (big ol' planted tanks...) deep I have seen.
    I also, have not heard that saying.


    I don't see why an aerator would have an issue at any depth. The only matter is pressure. Eventually even in high pressure, air would be forced out of the diffuser. And pressure (unless we are talking, on the sea floor lol) on the diffuser, I don't think would be a problem. Maybe im missing something...?
     
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    I had pond air and got it from a pond store and they told e that if you can't see air bubble that they may be to deep .I have mine down 2 and 3 feet and 1 only a foot down 101_0105.JPG 101_1562.JPG 101_1533.JPG
     
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    It depends on the size unit (psi output) that you are using.
     
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    MoonShadows The Jam Man

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    @Meyer Jordan I tested again today, and ran each test twice because I was getting a few different results from yesterday.

    Ammonia
    Yesterday - 0.25
    Today - between 0 & .25

    Nitrite
    Yesterday - 1.0
    Today - between 0 & .25

    PH
    Yesterday - 7.5
    Today - between 8 & 9 (I did top off about 1/2 inch yesterday that with my well water that runs through a calcium carbonate filter.

    Phosphate
    Yesterday - 0
    Today - 0

    GH
    Yesterday - 7
    Today - 6

    KH
    Yesterday - 6
    Today - 6

    I also ordered an API Nitrate Test Kit this morning.
     
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    As expected. This is the reason I requested that you retest.
    Ponds are quite dynamic eco-systems both biologically and chemically. Things rarely remain the same from second to second.
    Most water tests are performed only once. This only provides a snapshot of parameter levels at that particular time and at that particular location of the pond. Yes, location makes a difference also.

    In order to arrive at a true assessment of the overall condition of a pond;s water, at least Three (3) tests should be done over Three (3) days at different times of day and from Three (3) different locations in the pond. This provides a much more accurate assessment.
    If you test again tomorrow, you may very well again get different results on one or more or the parameters.
    Unless you derive some radically different results if you test tomorrow, I would say that you have no water quality issues.
     
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    MoonShadows The Jam Man

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    Very good to know this. I never read this anywhere.

    Thanks for all the help you have been.
     
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    Meyer Jordan Tadpole

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    It is really quite logical. Oxygen for example.Dissolved oxygen level will vary depending on
    -Water temperature
    -The depth from which the water sample was taken. Oxygen levels drop as depth increases.
    -Oxygen levels will be less on the outflow side of the biofilter than on the intake side.
    -Oxygen levels will be higher in the evening than in the morning.
    -Oxygen levels will be higher in the vicinity of submerged plants.

    So there is no static level for Dissolved Oxygen as it is in a constant state of flux. All that can be determined are approximations of the minimum and maximum levels and a general average overall level.
     
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    MoonShadows The Jam Man

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    You're right. It is logical. Maybe that's why I didn't think of it. :rolleyes:
     
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    Meyer tends to be well read and from some authoritative sources too; he reads thing most of us mere mortals avoid.
     
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    But when we are "Struggling.....We do appreciate his input..... Even if he hurts our feelings sometimes...... Lol Jimmy
     
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    Mr. Jordan does know his stuff.. ;)
     
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